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[Frodo]

That was probably me flying through your ack. 

We waited a long time for another attack on 76 and finally gave up and headed for the nearest reported enemy. Found 4 or 5 (?) P40s between the vbase and your field. I kept pushing the 2 high ones when I saw I was closing. I was surprised but guess they were full of fuel. One broke off and 3 109s went after him and he put up a great fight. The other one turned and fought me and was a very tough fight. The other 3 109s arrived as I was trying to finish him right at your field. After my last pass I found myself over the end of your runway and had no choice but go through. Ditto hit the P40 and took the rest of his parts but he ditched on the runway. 

These last 2 fights made the night worthwhile somewhat for us. 

Who else was supposed to hit 76 besides the Il2s?

[Drano]

Well the 412th had no shortage of reds to shoot at defending was it 124? We had a large squad of Yak 7s come tooling around low at our field clearly just trying to get our attention. Most of us stayed on task and another flight at maybe 15k of
 formations of TU2s came thru from the East. We laid into them. I got my engine oiled for the 2nd week in a row. Headed to help somebody with a Yak when my engine cut. I got nailed trying to glide home. Just then yet another group in pretty much all the Bostons there were showed up with escorts of their own!

Seemed a good chunk of what allies were flying by that target alone. We took 30 of em but sheesh!

The dogpile effect is another factor when limiting the number of targets.

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[Dantoo]

Frodo:
It was us (9GIAP) that was the other group supposed to strike at 76 with our P40s (there was only 6 of us).  Claim Jumpers and 1841 had the Il2s.  It was never going to be an epic bash at 76.  Four of our planes discoed.  We weren't  keen to go there as it was on receiving a report of "20+ 109Fs defending".  This figure was quite believable given that there was only two targets to defend.  I was mulling on how to get some support for the attack when the disco happened. We were about 30 miles south at the time.

Steely and I stayed connected so we turned back to the east where I figured we could give help and get help.  Arriving in the 154 area as our guys re-upped to the south, I spoke to Qbert the defence leader for that target.  He told me that all the defenders were already down!  At this time we saw 5 fresh trios of He111s making a run over the target (escorted) so we made a dummy pass at them and headed further east.  This dragged fighters away from our guys trying to join us from the south.

We joined up and tried to head west when we encountered you lot coming east (and a couple heading home too).  We fought our way back and tried to ditch the attention.  As we found ourselves clear again we got a call from a Yak that he was seriously getting beaten up by some Stukas.  We helped him and figured finally we had earned a grateful Yak escort to get us to 76!  Steely and I were about 4 mins fuel so we had to rearm and this while everything around us was flashing.  We stretched it to the south while the rest of the guys (still with nearly 100% fuel) tried to keep you off us.  We got airborne just as JoeJoe was trying to land his remaining parts.  We lost our Yak mate at the pad.  We ditched the bombs (again) and circled the wagons in the ack wishing forlornly for WEP.  Picko and LJ eventually ran out of manouvre space nearby and succumbed.  Front lost his controls and wasn't able look anywhere but forward.

Give up?  No way.  Off to rearm again.  Looking over our shoulders we tried to rush it.  Steely tried to land without wheels (on top of me as well) and as I was scrambling to warn him I wiped mine off on the runway.  At this time we had no serviceable planes left and as we had been the only Allies for the last 20 minutes it was game over for us.

Drano's comments indicate where the heavies were sent.  The orders show that the same amount of players was sent to attack 24 as were retained to defend 132.  That is a 4-6 squad, two 7-10 squads (in Buffs) and an escort of 11-15 in Yaks.

The problem wasn't the orders or the lack of effort by the Allies.  It was simply that the Allied machines weren't up to the task they were given and the turnout (possibly because of this) was exceptionally low.  There was never any lack of red dots for the Allies to admire.

[Frodo]

Yea the set up was not very even. We only had 4 109s left after the disco and the oil hits by the IL2 gunners who did a great job.

The 4 of us were just glad we found something and your guys flew those P40s very well. 

We were all low on fuel and had to get out and barely made it home.

The Pacific events tend to be very lopsided as well. Maybe the CMs could take a few bombers out of the equation until numbers come back up?

Dantoo   

[LilMak]

Sometimes it's a simple roll of the dice as to the feel of an FSO. The 56th felt like this was a good month and had success in all three frames flying three different aircraft.

The first frame we were in TU-2s. We elected to leave the formatins in the hangar and went with singles. Some of our Allied friends thought we were nuts but our reasoning was to deny he enemy additional points if we got in and allow us to put the forward firing 20mm to good use when we got light. It turned out to be a really smart move. We leveled 4 hangars and killed a few fighters on our way home.

Frame two. We were in Yaks. After a semi successful attempt at our initial objective, we rearmed and headed to where we thought the teeth of the Axis were. And we found it in a big way. We fell victim to the bait and bounce. Still no lack of targets and we gave better than we got. Probably our worst frame of the month although the Yak was arguably the best fighter available to the Allies.

Frame three was a mess. We were tasked with defense. We had a nice CAP set up at 20K+ In our P-39s. I think I was one of the first to fall victim to the mass boot. I managed to get back in the plane only to be booted again. My next logon found me in the tower waiting for the fields to be reopened. At that point it was a mad dash to get back to the objective. No one knew which end was up. Somehow we managed to down 24 enemy aircraft with our neutered (still don't understand lack of the 37mm option) P-39s.

The end result is a successful and fun month for the 56th in spite of the plane selections and numbers. FSO is definitely a mixed bag. Sometimes you're the windshield and sometimes you're the bug. That's part of what makes it fun.

[captain1ma]

just spitballing here, but what if, and im not saying I would like this myself, but what if..... we had one target to attack and one target to defend? you could have massive bomber streams with escorts vs defenders. one big furball for both sides.

its just a question, it wont hurt you.... I promise.

[LilMak]

just spitballing here, but what if, and im not saying I would like this myself, but what if..... we had one target to attack and one target to defend? you could have massive bomber streams with escorts vs defenders. one big furball for both sides.

its just a question, it wont hurt you.... I promise.

I think this last one had that potential until the mass boot. Before we go all or nothing, perhaps we should manage that in steps.

[captain1ma]

you cant manage a mass disco, wasn't the servers.

[Wiley]

I'd be all for it, my only concern would be FR for lower performance people when you get ~200 planes in an area.

I'd take having to dumb down my graphics if it worked well though.

Wiley.

[captain1ma]

actually about 110 per target hehehehehe

[LilMak]

you cant manage a mass disco, wasn't the servers.

Think you misunderstood. I'm not talking about managing the disco. I'm saying that this last run with two targets has the sort of potential you're looking for but didn't truly get tested because of the boot. Everything got spread out and most of the initial plans went completely out the window. Wiley is right. Putting 200 guys in a 25 mile grid could get taxing on system capabilities for many players.

[Molsman]

I just have a Question for all the Die Hard FSO Players asking to readjust the Event and so On about numbers... As a Past CM who created events for FSO trust me it is hard each month to try and plan the target's and defense with falling FSO numbers for each side some events need the buff's and some events do not. But if we leave 1 or the other out we get yelled at for this was fair or unfair. The Players that call out for changes I would love to see them step up and come to the Dark side and Create the event's the FSO Admins but they all come up with the same excuse we do not have time to do this. Question for the Ones who say we do not have the time to create an event and think out numbers plus or on the minus side, do you all think the Cms have all the time in the world to figure this all out and have special Powers to see what is going to happen. We have Numbers for Certain Plane's and Buffs but after Frame 1 we can always Readjust the targets and the plane's but We Also Need CiC's who do not copy and paste orders and to Avoid the Same Squads getting Buffs for so many frames in a row.

End of Rant I just want the Dedicated FSO Players to look at this and think about it. CM's bust their Chops to make everyone happy


Oh btw Applications available for the FSO Admin Team if you guys want to take a shot to make everyone happy

Molsman

[captain1ma]

wow is that a "put up or shut up" rant mols?!!! 

I think last weeks setup was perfect and the mass disco totally screwed up my super secret plan.

So instead I changed the plan and it worked out pretty good.

that being said, you cant manage and mass boot and we just have to deal with ever changing conditions

in the FSO setup. nothing is perfect and I think they run pretty good. personally I like the way they do things

and as you said, if you want to try your hand at setups, join the FSO team.

I would join them myself but im too busy herding cats with the AVA staff hehehehe.

at any rate it was a fun setup with some minor glitch's. keep up the good work boys, and  tweek away when necessary!!

Merry Christmas to all!

[Zoney]

There is only one thing to be learned from last week, the CM team is on the ball and will do everything possible to keep the players happy.

[Molsman]

wow is that a "put up or shut up" rant mols?!!! 

I think last weeks setup was perfect and the mass disco totally screwed up my super secret plan.

So instead I changed the plan and it worked out pretty good.

that being said, you cant manage and mass boot and we just have to deal with ever changing conditions

in the FSO setup. nothing is perfect and I think they run pretty good. personally I like the way they do things

and as you said, if you want to try your hand at setups, join the FSO team.

I would join them myself but im too busy herding cats with the AVA staff hehehehe.

at any rate it was a fun setup with some minor glitch's. keep up the good work boys, and  tweek away when necessary!!

Merry Christmas to all!

I wasnt trying to refer to the Mass disco those things happen just tired of the CM's being bashed for this should be done this way or that way when trying to come up with new fresh material is hard enough and the low Numbers does not help either

Merry Christmas All and cya next year

Mols