review wep times, toughness values

[bustr]

Leave the WEP limits alone. Real life, the fluid needed for some WEP was the limiter when the tank ran out. For others it was a warning in a manual based on a general material order to achieve a usable life time for an engine. In all cases something was in place to limit WEP use. In the allied air forces you could be brought up on charges after some point if you had a pattern of using up your engines sooner than reasonably expected with out a sufficient threat to your mission or life. Just like being charged for not taking care of yourself unless you were in combat being shot at, since you were a government issue asset.

And no, our game furballing is not a sufficient threat because our fuel burn shortens our combat duration and our range to the nearest friendly field is often a fast glide away. Otherwise allowing for 200hr merlin boost at 18, or 8hr for a P47, we would be flying around in an old folks version of war thunder.

[Zimme83]

We havent been talking about removing the WEP-limits, just to adjust it for the British plane to a 1:2 ratio like the US planes have.

As for WEP, most planes could run on WEP for longer than the recommended limit but the system we have is reasonable, otherwise we could have run on WEP the entire sortie since we get a new plane the next sortie anyway. But British Merlins should have same ratio as their American counterparts.

[bustr]

Who is it really going to benefit? Is this going to gain you more kills or let run away faster or enhance your whatever? Newbies turn on WEP and run it until it runs out. Vets using it where it counts and gamers just game until the go faster time period is up. In the end the fuel burn and short distance to a friendly field makes up for everything else. And the hand books, you need to get Hitech to give you how he decided on his values before black box trying to get him to change them.

This is on par with trying to convince Hitech to give the allies 150 octane in P51D or that weight discrepancy in the A8.

[PJ_Godzilla]

I have found nothing to support that RAF had different limitations on their Merlins. I found it odd that Both Hurricane, Spitfires, Lancasters and Mosquitoes all had a 1:3 WEP-ratio while all US-merlins had a 1:2 ratio. But all British fighters regardless of engine has the 1:3 ratio in the game for no apparent reason.

Okay, but that wasn't my question. The question was, how did you establish the in-game diff?

[FLOOB]

Saxman is right. Fail rebuttal DENIED!

[bozon]

Who is it really going to benefit?

Of the merlins, the Spit14 and mossie would benefit the most. Both totally rely on WEP to achieve their reputed performance. Both without WEP are just below average performers - the WEPless 14 is probably the worst spit except the I model, the WEPless mossie falls to the speed category of the N1K.

Also, I find it strange that the Yaks have no limitations on their use of max power and get effectively 100% WEP time. We had a forum discussion on this in the past and iirc the conclusion was that the engines may have limitations, but the Russian don't...

[Zimme83]

Spit 14 has a Griffon, not a Merlin...
It would do quite a lot to have a 10 min cooling time instead of 15.

[bozon]

Spit 14 has a Griffon, not a Merlin...
It would do quite a lot to have a 10 min cooling time instead of 15.

Correct on the 14. I was distracted by this gorgeous girl on my lap.

[Zimme83]

An understandable error then 

[Tilt]

Recorded WEP performance on Lavochkins was not only via increased engine RPM but also with engine cowls trimmed for minimum drag.

The pilot did not have to do both in practice and which ever the pilot did resulted in him watching the lower cylinder head temperature rather then the clock.

1944/5 Yak (VK105PF2) engines were "continuously rated" at the  WEP setting of the earlier M105P.

Always thought AC with additive injection should also be limited by the quantity carried. (including fuel factor)

[Vraciu]

Saxman is right. Fail rebuttal DENIED!

Ehhhhhhhhh! Sorry, Hans, wrong guess.


A limit is something you CAN'T do.   A limitation is something you SHOULDN'T do.

In certification ultimate limits are determined and then limitations are created based on those values.   Most limitations can be exceeded safely because the airplane is tested to X % beyond that value to determine what the imposed limitation is.  (This is of course illegal and should not be done except in an emergency, and then only as a last resort.)   MMO is one such example.    Time at Max Rated Thrust is another.   If you are going to whack into terrain you're going to push the levers through the detent and not care about time limitations until you are clear of the hazard.   

WEP has a five minute limitation.   There is nothing to prevent the pilot from overriding that number indefinitely except engine damage or fuel starvation.    It is a limitation.    (It was exceeded regularly in the field.  HiTech has essentially created a compromise because without the computer-imposed five-minute restriction people would fly in WEP all day long.)

[JunkyII]

I agree on Yak3 toughness...maybe just lower it's ENY. Thing is a tank but can manuever with the best of them.

[Plazus]

A limit is something you CAN'T do.   A limitation is something you SHOULDN'T do.

Your definition of limitation vs. limit is incorrect.

Limit - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/limit?s=t
Limitation - http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/limitation?s=t

Now get off my lawn
- Grammar Nazi

[FLOOB]

He should've used the word restriction instead of limitation. Everybody knows what the word limitation means, even he does. But he's still trying to funk & wagnalls his way out. Intellectual integrity FAIL!

TRIPLE FAIL! 

[Vraciu]

He should've used the word restriction instead of limitation. Everybody knows what the word limitation means, even he does. But he's still trying to funk & wagnalls his way out. Intellectual integrity FAIL!

TRIPLE FAIL! 

AFMs use the term LIMITATION.   A RESTRICTION is something else entirely, usually put in place on a temporary basis by an operator, manufacturer, or agency.   (One common use involves a Temporary Flight Restriction due to some delineated circumstance.) 

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