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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2016, 05:02:24 AM »
Spitfires won the war!
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2016, 05:23:05 AM »
Zach is rustled!  :eek:
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2016, 06:17:55 AM »
What's that mean?
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2016, 08:46:54 AM »
What's that mean?

As much as "Spitfires won the war!"

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« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2016, 08:51:49 AM »
Hater'z goin to hate Zack!  :)
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2016, 10:42:27 AM »
Your last sentence is a tell.  War is one of the most studied, explored, dissected, investigated, and written-about topics in the history of literature.  SOME people romanticize war...some.  Not all.  You generalized ALL in your statement and that is simply incorrect.  There are millions of Chris Kyles with equally brutal realities.  You need look no further than Carlos Hathcock and the bicycle full of AK's.  Yes, another dead boy.  He also HUNTED "Apache"...the code name for the most brutal sniper/interrogator the VC had...and it was a woman.  You seem to be floating in a sea of poop and looking out of the boat and proclaiming your hatred for that one poop.  That one poop makes you mad.

All of these things are the nature of mankind.  Its unfortunate.  Its reckless.  Its unapologetic.  Its criminal.  Its sad.  Its not ever going to stop.  I don't say this because I like war, I say it because percentages are on my side that wars, struggles and conflicts will continue as long as the human element is top of the food chain.  And, because it has never ceased in the history of mankind. 

You're cherrypicking current events to support a position that is penalizing the players by hating the game.  Given your logic on soldier recognition, cops should be marginalized because crime sucks?  Firemen shouldn't be recognized because fires destroy lives and property?  This list is endless...those fellas are heros dude.  If for no other reason than they understood and volunteered to be called upon to catch bullets with their bodies in defense of their friends, allies and bystanders.


Fine, you have a point. We understand it. Most just don't make any outward attempt at empathizing unless it's brother who had a kid blown to hell.


I have nothing against soldiers they are a regrettable necessity. However, at least in the United States, the less educated (read: majority) seems to feel that criticism is mutually exclusive with recognition and care of veterans.


I guess my real problem is its typically the same love muffines who profess to "support our troops" that also get all giddy at Cruz's "glowing sand" comment, and general war mongering without even a semblance of a coherent strategy.


In any case, war may be part of human nature, but that doesn't mean we should accept it and move on.


You're getting a bit loose with the analogies there. Firefighters jobs isn't to burn down other people's houses. Police don't combat crime being criminals (for the most part). If you go the doctor route, doctors don't fight cancer by giving you more cancer in the hopes that it'll drive off the first cancer.
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2016, 12:27:36 PM »
What's that mean?
Means your jimmies are rustled.
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2016, 03:25:39 PM »
My word!

Your a bounder and a cad!
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« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2016, 06:17:53 PM »
british words of the day "bounder" and "cad".

"prior to evacuating the scene he bounder wrists behind her back and left his signature cad in the twine."

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« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2016, 07:37:31 PM »
Your last sentence is a tell.  War is one of the most studied, explored, dissected, investigated, and written-about topics in the history of literature.  SOME people romanticize war...some.  Not all.  You generalized ALL in your statement and that is simply incorrect.  There are millions of Chris Kyles with equally brutal realities.  You need look no further than Carlos Hathcock and the bicycle full of AK's.  Yes, another dead boy.  He also HUNTED "Apache"...the code name for the most brutal sniper/interrogator the VC had...and it was a woman.  You seem to be floating in a sea of poop and looking out of the boat and proclaiming your hatred for that one poop.  That one poop makes you mad.

All of these things are the nature of mankind.  Its unfortunate.  Its reckless.  Its unapologetic.  Its criminal.  Its sad.  Its not ever going to stop.  I don't say this because I like war, I say it because percentages are on my side that wars, struggles and conflicts will continue as long as the human element is top of the food chain.  And, because it has never ceased in the history of mankind. 

You're cherrypicking current events to support a position that is penalizing the players by hating the game.  Given your logic on soldier recognition, cops should be marginalized because crime sucks?  Firemen shouldn't be recognized because fires destroy lives and property?  This list is endless...those fellas are heros dude.  If for no other reason than they understood and volunteered to be called upon to catch bullets with their bodies in defense of their friends, allies and bystanders.

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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2016, 08:30:35 AM »

You're getting a bit loose with the analogies there. Firefighters jobs isn't to burn down other people's houses. Police don't combat crime being criminals (for the most part). If you go the doctor route, doctors don't fight cancer by giving you more cancer in the hopes that it'll drive off the first cancer.

My post was directed to you, not "we".  "We" did t make the statement you did.

I will only address what I've quoted because in your backpeddling, you've decided to move the goal posts after the ball has been kicked.  I'm all for a good, heady argument.  If you're gonna say it, at least believe in it enough to own it.  Don't change it because someone makes an argument against your position.

My analogies are head shots.  Soldiers are only necessary in the event of war because Posse Comitatis rules out their use in other circumstances except humanitarian effort.  If there was no crime would we need police?  If there was no fire, would we need fireman? 

No, we wouldn't.  You hate the game which is understandable.   So do I.  So do I.  Don't punish the player.
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« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2016, 09:17:43 AM »
Police use violence to apprehend or stop criminals, even non-violent criminals. Firefighters will light counter-fires if necessary (often in forest fires) and use other destructive measures to combat the flames. Doctors will poison their patients to kill cancer cells in the hope of the patient being stronger than the decease. They will use radiation. They will even use violence by cutting into the patient to remove the cancer. In the Middle-East a small violent segment of the population must be subdued if the whole region is to be saved, and our warfighters will use whatever means necessary to accomplish this. Though using radiation is perhaps going a bit too far, at this point.

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« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2016, 02:24:04 PM »
But war is rarely about a heroic defense of the country and its people, most war is about defending political and economic interests. Like Vietnam, it was about political influence and so is the true for most wars.
Unconventional wars are a bit different but problem there has often been that the soldiers are unable to distinguish the bad guys from the rest of the people and that military force alone cannot solve the problems and might even makes it worse. Killing people will not solve the issues in ME, some killing is necessary but it will not create anything sustainable.
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« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2016, 02:44:07 PM »
Most wars are about preventing even worse wars in the future. The Vietnam war, like the Korean war, was about stopping communist expansionism. Stopping it before it became a "heroic defense of the country and its people". Same with the international war on Daesh now. A war that is being fought on several continents.


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« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2016, 02:49:38 PM »
Many people don't realize that this war is almost a world war by now. The French in particular carry a heavy burden fighting against Daesh in Africa.

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