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Offline Zimme83

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AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« on: May 14, 2016, 06:22:24 AM »
Turkish Cobra shot down by kurdish PKK fighters yesterday.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2016, 08:24:48 AM »
Well, there goes two bright minds.  What a waste.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2016, 04:50:35 PM »
That was brutal. Crew did not have a chance.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2016, 05:12:56 PM »
Effing communists!  :mad:
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2016, 05:19:02 PM »
Edit: Ok i delete this, it would derail the thread for sure..
« Last Edit: May 14, 2016, 05:37:03 PM by Zimme83 »
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2016, 09:24:29 PM »
Looks like an SA16/18 Gimlet or the Chinese copy, QW-2.  Could be a Grom too perhaps.

Brutal, I wonder why the Cobras don't have that whizzy missile defense system, or if it did, why it didn't work.  The Gimlet/QW2 isn't the most current missile, by far, yet was pretty effective here, and in other vids too.  The operator didn't elevate the missile tube like he's supposed to either before firing, had it pointed directly at the target, which is exactly how you're not supposed to do it.

There are so many different active and passive anti-IR/Sam systems out there now too, missile approach warning systems too.  Sure are a lot of vids on YT and elsewhere showing helos and low alt planes getting smucked out of the sky though, mostly in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine, but elsewhere too.  I've never seen one where the missile was spoofed - maybe they just don't upload those films.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_countermeasure#Directional_IRCM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Approach_Warning
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2016, 11:26:33 PM »
You would have thought they would have some decoys on board but maybe not. Perhaps they did but could not deploy them in time. Choppers are configured differently with each nation.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2016, 05:04:27 AM »
My guess is that they were caught off guard and that they didn't expected SAM:s to be present at the scene.

Compare to Russian Hind:s in Syria, a cappy video and with no sign of SAM.s fired despite the title but it still give a good view of their tactic over the combat area.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2016, 11:48:57 AM »
Looks like an SA16/18 Gimlet or the Chinese copy, QW-2.  Could be a Grom too perhaps.

Brutal, I wonder why the Cobras don't have that whizzy missile defense system, or if it did, why it didn't work.  The Gimlet/QW2 isn't the most current missile, by far, yet was pretty effective here, and in other vids too.  The operator didn't elevate the missile tube like he's supposed to either before firing, had it pointed directly at the target, which is exactly how you're not supposed to do it.

There are so many different active and passive anti-IR/Sam systems out there now too, missile approach warning systems too.  Sure are a lot of vids on YT and elsewhere showing helos and low alt planes getting smucked out of the sky though, mostly in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine, but elsewhere too.  I've never seen one where the missile was spoofed - maybe they just don't upload those films.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_countermeasure#Directional_IRCM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_Approach_Warning

My guess is, those spoofing systems are expensive and high maintenance. It wouldn't surprise me if most nations either gave up on maintaining the systems because they didn't find them cost effective, or if they're under-maintained and as a result often don't work.

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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2016, 12:22:56 PM »
Wow, it just shows how vulnerable helicopters can be.
I'm guessing that the Cobra the Turks use are aging models, lacking the equipment to detect the launch.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2016, 12:30:22 PM »
55 AH-1F (modernized) and 6 AH-1W according to Wiki, about to be replaced by the T-129.
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2016, 12:47:56 PM »
It's funny, I used to be able to watch videos like this with impunity, but lately, they really give me a sick feeling in my stomach...

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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2016, 01:11:38 PM »
It's amazing how effective these little things are.  Seriously, the tube/launcher is pretty small, when you see the actual missile inside of it, it's this slender little thing that doesn't look like much at all.  So fast too, it's hard to judge range from a video, but that helo was a good ways off, and that missile was there in an eyeblink.  Powerful charge as well, chopped the tail structure right off.  Again, when you see the rocket itself up close, it's incredible power and capability is hard to believe.  Like I said, this is a pretty old tech missile too, nearly 30 years old that launcher/missile could have been.  Imagine the new tech stuff, and what's to come shortly...

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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2016, 01:14:42 PM »
In the near future when all war is fought with unmanned drones it will become a spectator sport like no other
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Re: AH-1 Cobra downed by manpad
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2016, 02:00:42 PM »
A little curious about why the camera guy is counting. He starts when the shooter arms the missile and he fired at 15...
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