Suggestions regarding next Scenario (October, 2016)

[puller]

Also, like with other Scenarios, I would like to have a test frame.

How long a test frame would folks participate in?  3 hours?  6?  A full 12 (just to make sure everything works over that time span)?

4 hours

[Devil 505]

The why is already in what you said:  so I can control loadout.  That way, I don't have to police it.  If the F-8 weren't close to the same performance as the A-5, I would probably not do it.  But it is so close that I don't think people would much notice other than icon text saying "F8" instead of "A5".

I don't think we'll be able to get custom skins into an AH3 terrain.  I'll ask, but my recollection is that it isn't possible in AH3.

The Skg 10 A-5 skin is already in game.

I don't think you have to do any policing. I imagine that you will simply count the objects destroyed by the attack groups, just like in Dnieper. The Jg 2 CO will know that any ground attack action by his squad will not net any points for the Axis and only result in fewer potential points for the bombers and attackers to score. I dealt with this during a frame of Dnieper where my A-5's were escorting the F-8's noe and one of my walk-on wanted to make a strafing run.

Easy to control at the squad level and no sweat off your back.

[LCADolby]

The reality is, we know who won and lost the war.  This Game, Today, the event in October, this has nothing to do with what was.  Each side must have an Equal Chance of winning and losing. So the cannons, speed, ordinance need to be equal.  Then, regardless of historical accuracy, the strongest team will win.  This is the difference between taking the field and REENACTING a battle and taking the field and going to war today.  If you balance the event based on historical accuracy, it's inevitable that you are going to sway the results towards the inevitable conclusion.  At the end of the war, the Axis were pummeled.  Their fuel was gone, their infrastructure was gone.  There was never a balanced and even battle. That is the way of war.  This is a Scenario.  Both sides must be equal in ABILITY, the result will be based on the people who play it and whether or not they can assemble a team. 
Again, In My Humble Opinion.

Not quite; AcesHigh re-enacts BoB realistically, Axis would win my miles and miles.

[BFOOT1]

The difficult part for me is choosing which side 

109's or Spitfires, it's a very difficult decision. Fly with my old allied buddies? Or my new Luftwaffe friends?

[Joker312]

Not quite sure what you mean Dolby.....

If what your getting at is the AH BoB scenarios were the real battle the outcome is almost always an Axis victory, I get it.

The AH scenarios were never meant to be an actual recreation of the factual outcomes. It's meant to be a game thats fun for all who participate.

Al least thats the way I understand it.

[Guppy35]

There were few He 111's in 1943 in Tunisia compared to Ju 88's.  Since the US level bombers are already better somewhat than the Ju 88 as an average set, it doesn't work to put in He 111's.

B-17's, B-26's, P-39's were not insignificant in early 1943.  For January-March, 1943, from the daily chronology by the USAAF (which is a day-by-day summary of the action of the day), here are the number of mentions of each US aircraft:
p-38 -- 40
p-39 -- 29
p-40 -- 79
spitfire -- 21
a-20 -- 47
b-17 -- 64
b-25 -- 90
b-26 -- 53

Mentions is not the same as number that were there, but it is at least indicative of how much it was in the daily action.

So, B-17's, B-26's, and P-39's should be in it.

You going to completely leave out the RAF?  That impacts those numbers too

[Devil 505]

Seems to me that Brroke's vision is to focus on the 12th Airforce.

[BFOOT1]

Seems to me that Brroke's vision is to focus on the 12th Airforce.

I'd like to see the RAF, haven't flown as RAF officially.

[KCDitto]

I'd like to see the RAF, haven't flown as RAF officially.

It is ok,

I can put cannon rounds in your Spitfire just like I can your P-51          

[BFOOT1]

It is ok,

I can put cannon rounds in your Spitfire just like I can your P-51          

You still didn't shoot me down!!! And that whole FSO kill thing didn't really count...

Looking forward to this one my old friend, I'm now going to post a for sale add and whoever pays the highest wins me for the scenario, I shall start the bidding at three sheep 

[Brooke]

You going to completely leave out the RAF?  That impacts those numbers too

I don't think that we have the player numbers these days to pull off the two fronts, both 12th AF and the DAF, so I'm picking to do just the one front.

The numbers I quoted, though, are only for the 12th AF, not for the DAF.  It is the chronology from the USAAF in their operations and doesn't include DAF operations.

[Brooke]

To get the ball rolling more on suggested different balance of planes, here is one among many possibilities. 

This set:
-- reduces 190's as per Devil's comments to be more realistically proportional to 109's,
-- increases the P-38/Spit ratio (as is likely also more realistic), and
-- makes P-40's+P-39's equal to number of C.202's (balancing the lowest-performance planes on each side).

The non-realistic aspect is that the proportion of P-40's is much lower than history, which is this case's sacrifice to playability.

Fighters

P-38G, 24
Spit V, 12
P-39D, 6
P-40F, 8

Bf 109G-2, 15
Bf 109G-6, 15
FW 190A-5, 6
C.202, 14

Then, to make the bomber mix more even as well -- basically half the US force worse than Ju 88's and half better.

Bombers

B-25C, 7
B-26B, 4
B-17G, 4

Ju 88A-4, 15

What do folks think of this?

[Brooke]

A question for all who played in TFT and especially ROC and Nef.

We will allocate people to sides, and we have a maximum number of each type of plane that is available.  That way, if there is some portion of the day where nearly everyone is there (like 3 pm Eastern or something), and we get the mix of planes as listed.

However, at some portions of the day, there are going to be half that peak number of players -- maybe a lot less at some times.

At those points, I was thinking sides would likely reallocate their pilots up into the better planes that now have open slots, and there would end up being no C.202's, P-40's, and P-39's for some portions of the battle.

Is that how we should have it here?  I think so (as I don't see any desirable ways around it) -- but what do folks think?

[TheBug]

My suggestions would be to reduce the 190s a little, switch to a normal 4 frame scenario, 7pm EDT start time and a 1941/1942 timeframe.   

[Frodo]

My suggestions would be to reduce the 190s a little, switch to a normal 4 frame scenario, 7pm EDT start time and a 1941/1942 timeframe.