Bomber Unfriendly Targets / ENY Issues

[flyndung]

I disagree.

Let's face the facts.

A higher eny plane takes longer to reach a higher alt.

A higher eny plane is slower

A higher eny plane is limited in acceleration most of the time

Givin these three discrepancies, the higher eny plane is a lot more difficult to be successful in.  A big group of high eny fighters F4F, P40, 109E, P39, with the same skills match up with planes like La7s, Spit16s, P51Ds, and 190Ds will not have a chance. I don't care who you are. Planes that cannot build the E advantage during a fight are at a critical disadvantage. Secondly, a group of high skilled high eny fighters would still have a hard time against an equal number of top performing planes with people who aren't as skilled. These planes really do make a difference. You can see it in people's statistics of the way they fly. Even a fight that is unbalanced, a great fighter in a low eny plane can destroy a group of high eny fighters because they simply cannot build up the E, gain alt as quickly, run away from trouble, or catch a faster plane. The bullets are typically weaker and the faster planes can accelerate more quickly inorder to escape the fight. It makes a huge difference.


The question there is, you think that a large group of high eny fighters is more damaging. It's not. You lose planes that do not have the necessary Ord to take down bases. You lose ability to control the fight. If you are met with an opposition of spit16s and La7s, you won't last long. I can guarantee it. I've seen it happen. What people don't realize is that the # discrepancy only effects the amount of players in the game. It doesn't necessarily mean that the base you are attacking with High Eny planes, won't be opposed by the same or more fighters with spit16s ans La7s.

you can disagree all you want but when a country is up by 30-40 people why do they always horde and blaze a trail and win? this has been done since the i played, numbers win, ENY didn't stop it. why is that??

[caldera]

you can disagree all you want but when a country is up by 30-40 people why do they always horde and blaze a trail and win? this has been done since the i played, numbers win, ENY didn't stop it. why is that??

The same reason most people fly with friends and also fly good or better planes: they want to win.

What is your alternative to ENY?  Would a massive horde of heavy P-51Ds be somehow better than a horde of P-39s?

[JunkyII]

let me tell you why ENY will never work , it doesn't account for 1 thing ..SKILL and the ENY planes capabilities aren't that far apart from higher ENY planes to make that much difference. plus numbers of crappy equipment is basically RUSSIAN docutrine

Some of the higher eny rides are some of the easiest planes to be successful in....AKA Yak 3 and Brew

[flyndung]

The same reason most people fly with friends and also fly good or better planes: they want to win.

What is your alternative to ENY?  Would a massive horde of heavy P-51Ds be somehow better than a horde of P-39s?

if your upping a massive horde of P51s whats the ENY??? your not seeing the ENY in your answer if your upping a horde of P51s then the numbers are close to even and probably no ENY.

[flyndung]

Some of the higher eny rides are some of the easiest planes to be successful in....AKA Yak 3 and Brew

that just adds to my argument that High ENY can be easily overcome and ENY doesn't really hurt anyone

[Lusche]

Ah yes, the Brewster, the easy ride #1... yet for some 'mysterous' reason it's about the least sucsessful pure fighter of AH 

Somehow I'm being reminded  of the Spit 14 discussions years ago...   

[JunkyII]

Ah yes, the Brewster, the easy ride #1... yet for some 'mysterous' reason it's about the least sucsessful pure fighter of AH 

Somehow I'm being reminded  of the Spit 14 discussions years ago...   

Id like to see it's stats for how often it is shot on the runway......

I had 2 7+ kill sorties in it....one I upped while a person attempted to vulch me, if I'd up say.....a Spit 16, I wouldn't have been as successful...AKA easy mode.

I'd take myself in a Brewster vs myself in most late war rides anyday....and I dont even fly the brew.

Same with Yak3

[JunkyII]

that just adds to my argument that High ENY can be easily overcome and ENY doesn't really hurt anyone

What I'm getting at is that I believe the entire plane lists ENY values are a bit wrong here and there...Yak3 is an 18 but probably should be same as Typhoon...Brew is a 20 now??? should be a 12-15 IMO

[hitech]

but it makes alot of difference ENY doesn't hurt someone with skill. there's not enough performance gap in the planes for ENY to really matter

I assume you are asking for ENY to be MORE punitive?

HiTech

[Lusche]

Id like to see it's stats for how often it is shot on the runway......

I had 2 7+ kill sorties in it....one I upped while a person attempted to vulch me,

I had several 7+ kill sorties in the Hurricane I, in high intensity combat environments. Doesn't make it an EZ mode late war monster either. Kill tallys of a few individual sorties can be influenced a lot by pilot skill, enemy's lack of it and pure luck.

if I'd up say.....a Spit 16, I wouldn't have been as successful...AKA easy mode.

If you look at the performance of both planes - firepower, top speed, acceleration/climb, maneuverability, this statement is downright silly. The Spit 16 is up at speed and alt while the Brewster is still tugging along the runway.
That's why Brewsters are actually relatively rare under such circumstances (vulched bases). They need to get some speed/alt first.

[flyndung]

I assume you are asking for ENY to be MORE punitive?

HiTech

asking it to really mean something. honestly it's never done anything to stop a country with 20-30+  more people from kicking that living tar out of another country. i believe it needs a huge makeover but you can't stop numbers per say cause it doesn't account for the player skills .. i am sure if you had 10-15 really good pilots on the defenders vs 20-30+ attacking it might not be so bad but how does the computer know who's good and not. if the 20-30+ attacking or really good then the 10-15 defenders can up best planes and not have a chance in hell. if you understand what i am saying. but as russian docturine  goes numbers numbers numbers and it does work for the most part in the senarios played in game.

[flyndung]

here's a thought too, use the pilot rankings AVG per country to help tweak the ENY a little better??

[Ack-Ack]

Pilot ranking should not be tied to ENY, it would serve no purpose.

[flyndung]

Pilot ranking should not be tied to ENY, it would serve no purpose.

i think it would serve a great purpose.. heres a example . if the ranking of country's pilots are equal the ENY would be just normal ENY,but as the % in difference in RANKINGS increases the ENY is highered for the lower ranking country as well to account for skill.

[BowHTR]

i think it would serve a great purpose.. heres a example . if the ranking of country's pilots are equal the ENY would be just normal ENY,but as the % in difference in RANKINGS increases the ENY is highered for the lower ranking country as well to account for skill.

The ranking system can be easily manipulated. Just because someone is ranked in double digits doesn't mean they are more skilled.