AMD Ryzen CPU

[Skuzzy]

The performance drop you noted would be expected with that card.  Today, it would be considered a slightly less than middle of the road performer, in general.

[Vinkman]

The performance drop you noted would be expected with that card.  Today, it would be considered a slightly less than middle of the road performer, in general.

Thanks Skuzzy. Well it looks like be upgrading that too.

[Pudgie]

I've been playing around with it and I have not figured out how to turn that off yet.

Hi Vinkman,

Look in your mobo's UEFI, under M.I.T. section, Advanced CPU Core Settings, there should be some setting similar to this "SMT Mode" w\ setting choices as follows:

Auto (usually the default setting that essentially the UEFI will enable SMT automatically)
Enable
Disable (this is the setting choice to use to turn SMT off so then when the CPU layout is cached to Windows from the UEFI upon OS startup the OS will only see the 8 physical CPU cores instead of seeing the 16 logical CPU cores)

I was surfing the 'Net last weekend & had ran across a site that had pictures of an Asus Crosshair VI Hero AM4 mobo's UEFI w\ this section open that showed this SMT option but for the life of me I can't remember where it was so I could post this to help you out.

This also should be laid out in your mobo's user manual that guides thru the mobo's UEFI (or BIOS if you prefer) sections & settings.

 

[Pudgie]

Anti-aliasing X12 Edge Detect [using the ATI Gaming settings]

Hi Vinkman,

You do realize that using the Radeon driver AA settings at 12X (using the EQ setting which essentially doubles the AA amount applied....equal to 24X......this is what also enables Edge Detect which essentially applies AA only to non-perpendicular edges of objects....a cheat to reduce the amount of the EQ AA to be applied so that the objects have the appearance of all that AA being applied to the entire graphic scene but is only applied to the non-perpendicular edges of a graphics scene) is a very big GPU resource hog on your 5970's GPU's............

May I ask why not use the in-game post-process FXAA to offload the GPU's of doing this then set your Radeon driver AA mode to "Enhance Application Settings" then set the AA Method to either "Adaptive Multisampling" (MSAA + TransSS) or Supersampling (FSAA)? Both of these can be used in tandem, can look just about as good as using the Radeon driver alone but will unload those GPU's quite a bit as the bulk of the AA will be done by the vid card's shaders instead of the vid card's GPU's & the GPU's are only applying a small fraction of AA to "enhance" what the in-game AA will do instead of applying the full amount of the selected driver-level AA as you're currently doing.

This is how I'm using my Radeon R9 FuryX graphics card's Crimson drivers w\ the in-game post process FXAA & it makes a very noticeable difference in performance w\o giving up hardly any of the graphics eye candy level that I desire.

Just a thought & suggestion that I wanted to share w\ you since from what you've posted on your Ryzen\Radeon 5970 performance numbers this jumps out to me as those numbers aren't that bad IMHO for a vid card that old.....

YMMV

 

[Skuzzy]

His numbers are not bad and he has done exactly what he needed to do to keep them up, but it will degrade in performance under a load (i.e. lots of stuff around) and that is to be expected.

[Vinkman]

Thanks Pudgie & Skuzzy for all your advice. I will play around with that and see if it makes a difference Pudge 

Skuzzy, If I were to upgrade my card, and per your comment about GPU speed not being that relevant, what are the key factors to maximize in card specifications for AH3?

I'm curious because many cards advertise directX-12, memory speeds up to 5700MHz, VRAM from 2-8Meg. And many cards that advertise similar specs have a wide range of prises. I've seen R7 cards for example from $250-$550 and from the specs they seem exactly the same.

An R9 can run a grand!     Many of those talk about 4K video etc...which I'm not concerned with, so I'd like to maximize my AH3 capability for the money.  Also with a Ryzen AM4 hardware set, should I stay in the ATI AMD card family?

Many Thanks!

Vinkman 

[flyndung]

Thanks Pudgie & Skuzzy for all your advice. I will play around with that and see if it makes a difference Pudge 

Skuzzy, If I were to upgrade my card, and per your comment about GPU speed not being that relevant, what are the key factors to maximize in card specifications for AH3?

I'm curious because many cards advertise directX-12, memory speeds up to 5700MHz, VRAM from 2-8Meg. And many cards that advertise similar specs have a wide range of prises. I've seen R7 cards for example from $250-$550 and from the specs they seem exactly the same.

An R9 can run a grand!     Many of those talk about 4K video etc...which I'm not concerned with, so I'd like to maximize my AH3 capability for the money.  Also with a Ryzen AM4 hardware set, should I stay in the ATI AMD card family?

Many Thanks!

Vinkman 

http://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=311,312,332,326,319

R9 a grand??? even the high end  R9 FURY X is only 699.99 tops its cheaper from other manufactures though

[oboe]

I think the key factors would be the resolution of your monitor and its refresh rate.  If you have 1080p @60Hz, the 1060 or RX 480 sub-$200 cards that will support all the eye candy at decent range settings, and maintain 60fps.   To step up from that, it'd be a GTX 1070 at $350-$400. 

[Pudgie]

Hi Vinkman,

Another Radeon driver setting that can give you a little more performance in AHIII is the level of texture filtering quality. This AMD driver setting is active w\ AHIII and does the following:

Performance = basic bilinear filtering (the lowest texture filtering level thus will use the least amount of GPU\shader core cycles to apply)
Standard = basic bilinear filtering + trilinear filtering in specific texture areas where needed (gives textures the "look" of a full trilinear filtered texture w\o the extra cost of GPU\shader core cycles to produce it.....a good tradeoff thus why AMD makes this setting the default)
High = full trilinear filtering applied across the entire texture mapping (the best for texture image quality but puts the most demand on GPU\shader core cycles)

If the texture image quality isn't a paramount issue for you then you could set this setting to Performance & squeeze a little more GPU performance out of your 5970.

Just another item to consider to help you out in the meantime...................

 

[Pudgie]

Here is an interesting article on pcper's site concerning Ryzen's new AMD Balanced Power Plan for Win 10:

https://www.pcper.com/news/Processors/AMD-Releases-Ryzen-Balanced-Power-Plan-Test-Results-Inside#comments

Note what AMD had to say about the differences between how Win 7 & Win 10 perform CPU core parking..............

 

[PR3D4TOR]

If you plan on using your computer for any graphics or video work the Ryzen is a huge performer and an incredible deal. If you're just building a gaming rig an Intel i7-7700K is a better CPU. I've overclocked my Ryzen to 3.9 GHz, but you might get as much as 4.8 on a 7700K on water if you win the silicon lottery. Most can get 4.5 at least.

The Mac Pro in this test has an 8-core Intel Xenon E5, which is basically an i7 with more L3 cache and without the integrated Intel GPU.



https://youtu.be/No7eZZb3jdA

[Vinkman]

Hi Vinkman,

Another Radeon driver setting that can give you a little more performance in AHIII is the level of texture filtering quality. This AMD driver setting is active w\ AHIII and does the following:

Performance = basic bilinear filtering (the lowest texture filtering level thus will use the least amount of GPU\shader core cycles to apply)
Standard = basic bilinear filtering + trilinear filtering in specific texture areas where needed (gives textures the "look" of a full trilinear filtered texture w\o the extra cost of GPU\shader core cycles to produce it.....a good tradeoff thus why AMD makes this setting the default)
High = full trilinear filtering applied across the entire texture mapping (the best for texture image quality but puts the most demand on GPU\shader core cycles)

If the texture image quality isn't a paramount issue for you then you could set this setting to Performance & squeeze a little more GPU performance out of your 5970.

Just another item to consider to help you out in the meantime...................

 

I played around with this and a few other settings and got some interesting results. First I set this HIGH and the image looks fantastic, I also changes the anti-aliasing from EDGE Detect to standard. [in this setting it does not let you pick sampling level 2X, 4X, 8X etc..]. But there is a separate parameter called sampling type which I set to super-sampling. And finally I enabled Open GL. and I backed off on the tree detail from 50% to 20% [when flying]

This combo had a really nice results. The image looked great especially the terrain, sky, clouds. Even the trees looked great when buzzing the tree tops. The cockpit was not as crisp as the edge detect but it was still very sharp and looked great.  But the stuttering was gone. Even in a high traffic situations when the frame rate dropped into the 30s, game play and the view while turning my head was smooth and fluid. I was really happy with this set up. Something in the other set up was creating hesitations, even those the frame rate was numerically higher [or similar] resulting in a choppy view.  I think it may have been the Open GL which claims to smooth out image delivery when frame rates are below the refresh rate. I have no idea how it does that, but it seems to work.

Also I put a liquid cooler on my CPU and it has been holding temps below 63c, while clocked at 3.85GHz. Still not sure why the RAM can't be clocked to a higher number than 2400Hz though. Is that a mother board limit? It's interesting that all the Ryzen boards seem to only support speeds up to 2400, when the RAM makers are advertising Ryzen compatible RAM at speeds of 4100MHz. Is this something a future driver release can improve or is it a MoBo hardware limit?

Vinkman 

 

[PR3D4TOR]

Is your RAM faster than 2400? My Corsair sticks are tested to 2666, and I'm running them at 2666. My Asus Crosshair VI MB can run RAM at 3200, but I haven't bothered trying to overclock the RAM. The performance gains are marginal. If you're on the same MB as me then you may need to update your BIOS. I've updated it twice now. Check asus.com.

[TequilaChaser]

I thought those AMD Ryzen CPU processors were suppose to use less energy and run cooler?

My old AMD Phenom II x4 975 3.60 GHz black edition, would top out Overclocked at 5.2 GHz using a Corsair CAFA 70 w/ (2) 120mm fans and would keep the temperature in the 58 to 61 Celsius range ...(built in April 2011) ..... compared to an Intel build of an Intel I7-2600k 3.40 GHz quad core using the same type of heatsink CPU cooler I could push it to 5.1+ GHz and was able to keep the temperature in the low 50's Celsius....

The FX-4350 quad core I'm currently using is locked in at 4475 MHz for both normal and turbo modes,  also using another Corsair CAFA 70 CPU cooler, it runs right around 33 to 37 Celsius for the CPU with MB running 3 to 5 degrees Celsius cooler than the CPU.... (same goes for the other 2 builds, MB's on those were in the mid 40's degrees Celsius range...... that i7-2600k build was built in August/September 2011)

It shocks as well as amazes me to see people posting CPU/MB/GPU temps pushing 60+ degrees Celsius.... gets me to wondering what they have done or what type of case they are using... or if they have thought about the airflow, thermodynamics, static pressure, etc...in the design of their PC builds...

Running both of those builds, I built back in 2011 at stock clocks, all temps were under the 38/37 degrees Celsius mark...

TC

[Skuzzy]

I am with you TC, on the temperature issue.  I have my home computer set to alarm if the CPU temperature breaks 40C.  It is usually in the low 30's.