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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #15 on: February 05, 2017, 05:08:39 AM »
This happened in AH2 all the time, its the smoothing code, it is not a bug it is someone seeking to exploit the fact they are connected to the internet by mashing their stick around when they get in trouble.

They should rework the move your controls rapidly to detect when the game is having trouble representing the player to others, and if they already do this, they should tighten it up, as long as its viable to do people will keep doing it when in trouble.

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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #16 on: February 05, 2017, 06:17:48 AM »
190s create micro warps due to the roll rate that defeats the update rate. In particular when initiating a turn, the net code cant predict the sudden roll and then struggles to catch up. Other fast rollers like the spit 16 also do this.

When spinning out, the plane rolls into impossible angles in an instant, which creates the same problem as above. I am very violent on the controlls of the mossie and if my stick is not perfectly calibrated I often completely lose control. It also happens if by mistake I end up with uneven power to the engines. The result is 1--2 seconds where sky and ground flash across my screen is all directions. I have no idea how this looks from the outside, but the mossie doesnt not depart with much grace. Recovery is very long and unelegant, as opposed to most other planes, which makes this useless as a tactic.

stalling or spinning is absolutely fine as long as your opponent can see what way your going.   This is any plane spazzing out like a raver on acid for all of split seconds then instantly resuming what we would call controlled flight.   It is enough to throw your shot or predict your next move.   

If you can replicate your mossie shenagins or get a friend to film it then we can see if your actually doing what krup and Junky have described. 

and bushy this didn't happen in AH2 the way we are seeing it.  Having flown behind Mr Doom's 190 throwing his stick all over his desk whilst I sit on his 6 200 out just watching for amusement was smoother.   
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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #17 on: February 05, 2017, 10:08:38 AM »
This happened in AH2 all the time, its the smoothing code, it is not a bug it is someone seeking to exploit the fact they are connected to the internet by mashing their stick around when they get in trouble.

They should rework the move your controls rapidly to detect when the game is having trouble representing the player to others, and if they already do this, they should tighten it up, as long as its viable to do people will keep doing it when in trouble.
It's a everyday occurrence in AH3....I might have had this type of thing happen once in AH2.
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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #18 on: February 05, 2017, 05:14:59 PM »
Junks shooting reminds me of that guy from Hot Shots with walleye vision.

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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2017, 08:31:34 PM »
Junks shooting reminds me of that guy from Hot Shots with walleye vision.
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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2017, 11:15:33 AM »
"This is any plane spazzing out like a raver on acid for all of split seconds then instantly resuming what we would call controlled flight. "

The problem with the above action is that there is NO PROBLEM for the guy doing it.  If you depart controlled flight that violently, your E bleed is horrendous, and instead of BFM you are doing spin prevent (oh so...not enough torque to make you spin), or stall recovery.  Instead it is "spin, whirl, cartwheel and follow the guy with E straight up"....

Gotta admit frustrating aspect of the game.... akin to watching a -4 hawg or Jug on the edge of a right hand turning climbing stall not having to deal with massive torque issues.
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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 10:35:10 PM »
Just as a comparison, look at how fluid player controlled aircraft are in BoS. This is a recording of a recording on a server located somewhere in the middle of Russia with a 200+ ping...

People in AH have an average of 30-80 ping...


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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #22 on: February 16, 2017, 01:25:11 AM »
LOL Krup....a little off topic and I know you are a fine stick.....

But dropping the gear in a turnfight.  I see your opponent did the same so it is an accepted part of the game.

It strikes me that some of us were lambasted to the point of being hounded out of the game in AH for using such tactics, you know, dropping gear, turning the engine off, etc.  As I recall it was even considered a cheat as it was not historic.  How do the players in BoS feel about such tactics?

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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2017, 07:19:04 AM »
I don't know how airflow/drag in AH work, but in BoS things like dropping your gear, opening the radiators, or the canopy have a profound effect on aerodynamics... You can actually feel the differences in drag depending on which you're manipulating.

As for shutting your engine off in BoS, you'd just be putting yourself at a disadvantage... Planes don't lock up due to torque with an idle engine. (as it should be)

I assume the players don't mind, there's much less whining.  :D


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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2017, 07:43:15 AM »
It strikes me that some of us were lambasted to the point of being hounded out of the game in AH for using such tactics, you know, dropping gear, turning the engine off, etc.  As I recall it was even considered a cheat as it was not historic. 


...um....just FWIW:

"When I started to close and fire, I noticed that his plane seemed to have stopped in the air.  I had to decide whether to shoot and run, or to try to stop my plane.  I cut throttle, lowered flaps, and dropped my wheels - I still kept closing.  I had to fishtail and do flat weaves to stay behind him.  This maneuver was repeated three times, and on one occasion I almost cut his tail off, we were so close..."

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From JG 26 - Top Guns of the Luftwaffe, by Donald L. Caldwell (Ivy Books, New York 1991), ISBN 0-8041-1050-6 (First Ballentine Edition, June 1993), at page 276:

[The following occurred on the afternoon of September 17, 1944 - the first day of Operation Market-Garden]:

The Third Gruppe [of JG26] also fought a battle with Mustangs, with ruinous consequences for itself.  In mid-afternoon, Major Mietusch assembled about fifteen Bf 109s of his scattered command and headed for the landing zones, climbing all the way.  The weather had taken a turn for the worse, and there was a continuous layer of thin cloud at 15,000 feet.  The Germans climbed through it, and then, while above the Dutch-German border, Mietusch spotted a squadron of P-51s below them.  He radioed, “Otter Mietusch, I am attacking!” and dove through the cloud.  His first burst of fire destroyed the Number 4 plane of the trailing cover flight.  Oblt. Schild hit the Number 2 Mustang’s drop tank, and it dove away trailing a solid sheet of flame.  The events of the next few minutes are best stated in the words of the leader of that P-51 flight, Lt. William Beyer of the 361st Fighter Group’s 376th Squadron:

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I was the flight leader at the tail end of the squadron.  We had flown back and forth between checkpoints for a couple of hours.  My wingmen apparently got tired of looking around for enemy aircraft.  Only by the grace of God did I happen to look behind us at that particular moment, because in no more than a couple of seconds the enemy would have shot the whole flight down.

I saw about fifteen German fighters closing fast with all their guns firing.  I immediately broke 180 degrees and called out the enemy attack.  My Number 4 man went down in flames, and my wingman got hit and spun out.  I headed straight back into the German fighters and went through the whole group, just about in the center of them.  We were separated by only a few feet...

I immediately made another 180-degree turn, picked out one of them, and started to chase it.  The rest of the fighters zoomed back up into the clouds and disappeared.  We made many violent high-G maneuvers with wide open throttle.  When I started to close and fire, I noticed that his plane seemed to have stopped in the air.  I had to decide whether to shoot and run, or to try to stop my plane.  I cut throttle, lowered flaps, and dropped my wheels - I still kept closing.  I had to fishtail and do flat weaves to stay behind him.  This maneuver was repeated three times, and on one occasion I almost cut his tail off, we were so close...

Then we started into steep dives.  The last one was at around 1,000 feet with flaps down.  This last maneuver was deadly and nerve-racking.  He went straight down toward the ground, hoping I couldn’t pull out.  If I pulled out early, he could have come in behind me, so I stayed with him.  If we had had our wheels down when we pulled out, we would have been on the ground.

 
It was after this pullout that I finally was able to get my sights lined up and fire at him.  I must have hit him with the first burst, because he kept turning and went into the ground and broke up.  Knowing the caliber of this German pilot, I am sure that if I had taken the time to get off some shots when he was slowing down he could have possibly shot me down or made a getaway.  My other combat victories were not nearly as spectacular as this one, and it is with this in mind that I can recall it so vividly.

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Lt Beyer’s victim was Klaus Mietusch.  Mietusch was one of the most fascinating individuals in the Geschwader’s history.  He was a career officer, had joined the Geschwader in 1938, and was its senior pilot in length of service when he died at age twenty-five.  His early combat career was marked by a seemingly endless series of failures and frustrations.  A member of the successful 7th Staffel under Muencheberg, he did not come into his own until he succeeded to the command and led it on detached assignment in Russia in 1943.  He was the opposite of the typical extroverted, self-confident fighter pilot.  He compensated for what he believed to be his lack of ability by an act of will.  According to Priller, Mietusch’s combat motto was, “Bore in, until the enemy is as large as a barn door in your sights.”  Again quoting Priller, duty as Mietusch’s wingman was an “unforgettable experience.”  Mietusch was shot down ten times and was wounded at least four times.  He was said never to have turned down a mission, and he had logged an incredible 452 combat sorties at the time of his death.  His seventy-two victories brought the award of the Oak Leaves to his Knights’s Cross, two months after his death.

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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2017, 10:00:32 AM »
I witnessed the mossie  flat spin last night. Don't know if it was intentional though. I had just knocked the right aileron off while the mossie was rolling to left at the top of his climb. He instantly went into a flat spin. No one followed him down as he started spinning at around 7000 and I figured he would pancake in the water. At roughly 1500 his spin stopped and he flew straight and level without any apparent nose down or other corrective measures. Not saying anything funny happened, I just didn't see anything that would have stopped the spin.

As for 190s and spit 16s they all do they funky chicken when you get on their six. If I do that I yank the wings off....


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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2017, 09:50:56 AM »
Mossies will spin in many situations. She is really a ***** to handle at slow speeds. I mean she can pull great moves under experienced hands, but the slightest over control will turn her into a flying carousel.

Once in a spin it takes time to pull her out of it. Combination of all controls and if spin allowed to fully develop, drop gears and/or differential throttling. It also matters if she spins to the right or the left, and with nose above/below the horizon.

Players usually will follow me all the way down to shoot me while I am out of control. I have a lot of mossie time, so I usually pull her out of it within 2-3 seconds, but then I am very slow. Usually the only thing to do is to go into a vertical dive and try to escape, though in rare occasions I was able to recover and immediately go offebsive against an opponent in a bad position.

Just for the record, that mossie was not me, I am traveling and have not played in a week.
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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2017, 08:16:39 AM »
did we get anywhere with this?

Had two spit14's attack me in a 110 earlier.   Both utilised the spin around the prop at tree level to throw my shot.   

I broke off one incorrectly assuming he was about to auger and I guess on his end all he did was a snap roll.  Slightly confusing on my screen as he was flipping backwards through the air totally out of control.

Just annoying when AH2 didn't have this "feature".  I'm also going out on a limb to say these players were doing it intentionally!    :old:

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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2017, 10:18:23 AM »
Lots of 200 complaints last night about this.

Rud3boi and I were apparently very glitchy.
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Re: Please fix Mini-Warps/Glitchy aircraft movement
« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2017, 12:55:04 PM »
There is some sort of input lag to what the other person sees.....the manuevers don't look natural and are hard to track. I call it GHIing
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