If you consider yourself a Top Stick in the game...

[nrshida]

In the real world, there are a gabillion more variables that make it less predictable and therefore less easy to ride the absolute edge.

An approximation for sure. Close enough is close enough...

Yeah, I see what you're saying about the car thing, lord knows I've experimented with physics on some back roads now and again.  

Not me Wiley, I drive like a vicar. I have no idea what you're talking about. I think I should probably call the police. Which state do you live in?

But even still, an airshow pilot or guy in his car's still got the whole "self preservation" thing as well as the whole, "might damage the vehicle doing something ridiculous" thing going on in his head and is probably not going to be doing that sort of thing as often as we do in here.

Just figure they'd be skillful enough to get it back quick and leave enough margin to shreck around with it. That's how you find the limits with everything I supposed. I once had a gliding lesson and I asked him what happens if it stalls. He showed me. I also stood next to a Corsair and Gary Numan one day at Duxford. The Corsair was huge and the Gary Numan was tiny. He did not look docile at the stall.

[Wiley]

An approximation for sure. Close enough is close enough...

But the envelope we're talking about is where the small differences between the real thing and the approximation become evident, possibly even glaringly so.

Not me Wiley, I drive like a vicar. I have no idea what you're talking about. I think I should probably call the police. Which state do you live in?

Wrong country, and statute of limitations has long since expired.  I got over my invincibility phase pretty quickly, fortunately without even a close call.

Just figure they'd be skillful enough to get it back quick and leave enough margin to shreck around with it. That's how you find the limits with everything I supposed. I once had a gliding lesson and I asked him what happens if it stalls. He showed me. I also stood next to a Corsair and Gary Numan one day at Duxford. The Corsair was huge and the Gary Numan was tiny. He did not look docile at the stall.

Hey, could be.  That's also not in a dirty combat configuration though either.  Just saying it's unlikely that one would see video or telemetry of a combat configured F4U stalling itself out full flaps out 500 feet ASL on a regular basis, so it comes down to best guesses or math at best.

Wiley.

[Mister Fork]

...and ya'll know that Dale owns an 'airshow' performance plane right?  So the guy who designed the flight models for the F4U variants himself is also an experienced pilot. Also with thousands and thousands of hours of 'simulator' time. And we've got pilots and former fighter pilots here up the wazoo - all who say our flight model is 'purdy darn guud'.

Personally, I've been 'simming' since 1984 on my ole trusty C-64 - that's 33 years.  But some of you are waaaay older than me.

[Zoney]

I roadraced motorcycles and crashed 47 times.  You cannot find the absolute edge of the envelope unless you exceed it, then you back off just a smidgen.

You don't get 47 crashes in an airplane in Real Life.  Ever.

I have 6,427,328,987,001 crashes in AH and not a scratch on me.


I do think in RL pilots pushed their plane's to the absolute limits when it was a choice of dying to their enemies guns or doing absolutely everything possible to live.  Not over and over, but I would have tried absolutely everything to live, including crying like a little girl.

[LilMak]

...and ya'll know that Dale owns an 'airshow' performance plane right?

Ummmm...an RV-8 isn't an Extra 300. But, then again, neither is a P-51.

You don't get 47 crashes in an airplane in Real Life.  Ever.

Maybe not but ole Jimmie Doolittle walked away from 5 or 6 if memory serves. So it can happen.

[nrshida]

You cannot find the absolute edge of the envelope unless you exceed it, then you back off just a smidgen.

Agreed. And knowing where it is means you don't have to step fully over it when needed.

You don't get 47 crashes in an airplane in Real Life.  Ever.

Stall doesn't automatically mean crash though. On a motorbike it's just much more likely 


What was this thing called in the real world again? The "Ensign Preservator" wasn't it? 

[SPKmes]

I roadraced motorcycles and crashed 47 times.  You cannot find the absolute edge of the envelope unless you exceed it, then you back off just a smidgen.

You don't get 47 crashes in an airplane in Real Life.  Ever.

When pushing the envelope of a bike you are damn lucky to have walked away 47 times...Damn man...How much metal do you have in you

[morfiend]

When pushing the envelope of a bike you are damn lucky to have walked away 47 times...Damn man...How much metal do you have in you

  It's not the crashing and falling off the bike that hurts!  It's that sudden stop at the end that does the damage.....


  Ask Zoney but most crashes you just walk away from unless you hit something or someone hits you,then again there no accounting for grinding off a finger or two when you go down...    

   Again ask Zoney.........


   

  PS: When asked about the different planes I always say the same thing!  They're all the same,2 wings and a prop,well some have 2 props and 2 dont have any but I digress,they are for the most part all the same,some just do some things better than others! If you are having difficulties fighting a certain plane,dont blame the plane or pilot,it's time to rethink how you are trying to fight that plane!

[Zoney]

I was very lucky.  I got one mangled looking wrist that hurts all the time but works fine.  And the ground off pinky ain't ever going to grow back.

I only cared about one thing, winning.  I wasn't there for the spirit of the competition, I was there to take first place, only.  I was willing to risk it all, but I wasn't there to endanger other riders.  That was also a fine line.  I kept the first place trophies, the others I threw in the trash when I got home every time.

[Bushmills]

I was willing to risk it all

[Oldman731]

What was this thing called in the real world again? The "Ensign Preservator" wasn't it?

FWIW (perhaps not much), I always thought that the Corsair and the P-38 were two of the most difficult AH planes to fly well.  The people here who are good in them have flown them quite a lot, so that they've overcome that learning curve.  Could be that a lot of real world ensigns and lieutenants didn't have that chance.

- oldman

[Shifty]

...Something's have brother. 

Get back!

<S>

Hoping life will allow that in the foreseeable future.

[SNO]

LOL just stuck my head in to see if anything has changed the past couple of years.. Nope. 

Hello there Shifty 

[horble]

Good ta see ya shifty!

[nrshida]

Could be that a lot of real world ensigns and lieutenants didn't have that chance.

I was laughing at the selective suppression of evidence by some members of the forum. No disrepect to those who were killed or injured flying the real beast in wartime 

Watch out for that Zoney character though. Claims he'd cry like a girl to save his life in wartime, ground his Rameses Niblick off on the tarmac for more trophies and now has a titanium-hydraulic one.