The HO

[TequilaChaser]

Thanks for replying 1stpar3, to decipher your original post that I quoted you on...

Fess explaining it in his words made it easier to see what you were saying....

Thank you for posting that view of it, Fess!

TC

[1stpar3]

Thanks for replying 1stpar3, to decipher your original post that I quoted you on...

Fess explaining it in his words made it easier to see what you were saying....

Thank you for posting that view of it, Fess!

TC

I know, RIGHT!  THAT GUY I wish the MA was honorable like that. The way the old days have been recalled, even though I am sure it was still a bit hit and miss in thee honor area. I guess its more an issue now, as most of the honorable guys no longer play? I have only been here with you guys since 2013, and have noticed the same trends in game play style. With that in mind, I guess its easier for me to roll with these circumstances, as its really all I have known. So not as big an issue for me. Wish I had the  answer to fix it but do have some issues with how some guys are trying to effect that change to happen. PMs and 200 rants, on a person isnt going to work IMO. That just makes some do it again..or just flat runs some off. I have seen that happen twice, on guys I have brought in to give the game a whirl. In my opinion it would be best just to accept the situation, we really cant afford to lose even 1 more player as that definitely wont help. Oh and with a name like TEQUILA CHASER, didnt figure the alcohol analogy would have been lost on you  I dont take a thing in here personally, so dont worry about questioning me or calling BS. I love you guys and owe this community more than you all know. So family has to come first above ego  The Moonshine vs Bourbon was simple I thought. What I meant was, some take the time to put every thing together and do the hard work to craft a superior spirit, while those just interested in getting a fast spirit to intoxicate themselves, will skip all the prepping and hard work to just get drunk. Both sides have one thing in common too....Bourbon and Shine both start with the same processes... its the dedication and pride in ones product that really makes the Bourbon- like guys, to stand out

[1stpar3]

1stpar3....thats what I'm getting at and 100coogn's response is a perfect example for my overall point.

If we got guys saying they will take the shot they aren't showing a good example for new players performance...which leads to them getting smacked down by the sharks and ends up making them quit.

Say I up a P40E...I can win a lot of fights against Spit 16s, Yak3s ect ect against players like GP5, Humboldt ect ect because these guys HO on a constant basis....if they would just learn how to actually merge they would have a lot more success and they wouldn't be jousting new sticks to the game.

Hotard said last night he has success with HOs...thats only because he has better aim then %90 of the community...same reason why 2cmex can get away with it...they have that aim but Noobs don't and people shouldn't be telling them it's ok because you are just failing them.

And it doesn't take 2 to HO...I can avoid all day and sooner or later one guy will get lucky.

I absolutely agree JUNKY, even if I dont fully follow your reasoning on calling out HOs. Reason is, every game I have ever played..from Combat Simulator 1 to ACES and even DCS have same thing....ALL th AI planes are firing away on the merge. So I really cant understand why it is so taboo with you? Sure, these HO only or new guys are just putting themselves in an losing situation in long term. BUT, to me it would be better to keep squashing these guys, until they decide that what they are doing is all wrong, or feel sorry for them and offer them help with tis. THEN chime in on 200 or PM to offer advice? I know you probably lean in this area, as you have been a class act whenever I have asked " WTF, how did you do that!". Then again I am pretty much a self starter with zero pride issues.BUT put off by the rest of the guys that gripe on 200 and PMs about someone doing the same thing AI pilots do. See where I am coming from? Just makes it harder to convince some folk to abandon that approach. That was my issue for a while...

[JunkyII]

Aircraft performance and energy states determine your options in the merge. An experienced trainer like Rodent57, with 35 years training real fighter pilots, can help a newbie understand his available choices.

Available choice vs the right choice....I could have told privates it was right for them to just lay down superior fire but no... I told them to lay down fire while finding a position of cover and at least concealment....you' re setting a noob up for failure every time you tell him taking a HO shot is ok.

I absolutely agree JUNKY, even if I dont fully follow your reasoning on calling out HOs. Reason is, every game I have ever played..from Combat Simulator 1 to ACES and even DCS have same thing....ALL th AI planes are firing away on the merge. So I really cant understand why it is so taboo with you? Sure, these HO only or new guys are just putting themselves in an losing situation in long term. BUT, to me it would be better to keep squashing these guys, until they decide that what they are doing is all wrong, or feel sorry for them and offer them help with tis. THEN chime in on 200 or PM to offer advice? I know you probably lean in this area, as you have been a class act whenever I have asked " WTF, how did you do that!". Then again I am pretty much a self starter with zero pride issues.BUT put off by the rest of the guys that gripe on 200 and PMs about someone doing the same thing AI pilots do. See where I am coming from? Just makes it harder to convince some folk to abandon that approach. That was my issue for a while...

I hear you bud, but its probably my military background...people were "greifed" when they did something stupid and tried to argue it was right.....people who actually showed a "I want to learn the right way" got nothing but respect...I do try to help anyone willing to listen, and most times I'm talking about HOs I'm hoping the other guy listens but I admit I'm probably going about it the wrong way because I'm kinda of an A Hole....sorry just who I've become from experience the last 10 years.

It takes one guy to merge in a way that lets the other guy get guns on him and expect him not to pull the trigger then whine ad nauseam about it too.

Wiley.

I bet a years subscription in 10 attempts I can get "Guns on" you every single time 1v1 no matter how hard you avoid.....doesn't mean I'm going to shoot you down but going to hopefully show you that your wrong....seriously though...I'll make it 2 years and if you lose the bet you don't have to give me crap....just say I'm right....

[JunkyII]

Heck the worst player in Aces High vs the Best is going to get guns on in a merge if they wanted to 


HAHAHAHAHAHA it's like some of you live in a dream world and started playing yesterday

[nrshida]

Without presuming to speak for Junky, and just to correct a small misconception - I don't think anyone with approximately Junky's level of skill is going to face 50-50 odds against a HOing merger - it's probably a fair bit under 1% success rate for the HOer even if he's the best shot in game.

Not so taboo on a fight-per-fight-basis, it just limits the mid to long-term player's development which ironically those horrid dueller-types seem to care about. Perhaps because from experience you know once an opponent goes for that shot there is no prospect for a good fight thereafter. They'll never get the angles and energy back. Nosing for the deck and running for home is the best option - which is no longer a fight of course (and yes quite common in the MA).

The biggest irony of AH is that if you ever want to take a step on that dueller-type, ACM road, those irritating elitist dueller types are likely the first to give up valuable time helping and teaching you. Which reminds me...

[Wiley]

I bet a years subscription in 10 attempts I can get "Guns on" you every single time 1v1 no matter how hard you avoid.....doesn't mean I'm going to shoot you down but going to hopefully show you that your wrong....seriously though...I'll make it 2 years and if you lose the bet you don't have to give me crap....just say I'm right....

10 out of 10 some kind of ping first merge?  Say when, whatever they call the DA now.  Just use the airspawns, merge, then auger and do it again.  No money, just a simple "you were right" either way. I can be on tonight if that works.

Wiley.

[BuckShot]

I bet a years subscription in 10 attempts I can get "Guns on" you every single time 1v1 no matter how hard you avoid.....doesn't mean I'm going to shoot you down but going to hopefully show you that your wrong....seriously though...I'll make it 2 years and if you lose the bet you don't have to give me crap....just say I'm right....

Wow, you're awesome. Do you get excited when you see yourself in the mirror?

[Wiley]

Without presuming to speak for Junky, and just to correct a small misconception - I don't think anyone with approximately Junky's level of skill is going to face 50-50 odds against a HOing merger - it's probably a fair bit under 1% success rate for the HOer even if he's the best shot in game.

Not so taboo on a fight-per-fight-basis, it just limits the mid to long-term player's development which ironically those horrid dueller-types seem to care about. Perhaps because from experience you know once an opponent goes for that shot there is no prospect for a good fight thereafter. They'll never get the angles and energy back. Nosing for the deck and running for home is the best option - which is no longer a fight of course (and yes quite common in the MA).

The biggest irony of AH is that if you ever want to take a step on that dueller-type, ACM road, those irritating elitist dueller types are likely the first to give up valuable time helping and teaching you. Which reminds me...

Now that post I can agree with. Although I have seen the occasional guy that can put up a decent fight after a ho. He is fighting from the bottom though.

Wiley.

[JunkyII]

Wow, you're awesome. Do you get excited when you see yourself in the mirror?

Its not a matter of being good, it's confidence that you can get a gun resolution on anyone avoiding an HO shot...is it a high percentage shot? No like Shida said it might be 1% but that's not the point all they are doing is limiting their ability.

[JunkyII]

10 out of 10 some kind of ping first merge?  Say when, whatever they call the DA now.  Just use the airspawns, merge, then auger and do it again.  No money, just a simple "you were right" either way. I can be on tonight if that works.

Wiley.

Going to Lake Tahoe this weekend but I'll hit you up next time I'm on.

[Patt2014]

I like early and mid merge breakers.  A quick low angle face shot can make all the difference. If i'm packing more firepower than you you can expect a half face fast shot or full HO. If I'm low E and doing the nearly tethered blimp thing and jumped, yep, you will be ho'd. And please cry about it on the chat thingy, it's so entertaining.

[JunkyII]

I like early and mid merge breakers.  A quick low angle face shot can make all the difference. If i'm packing more firepower than you you can expect a half face fast shot or full HO. If I'm low E and doing the nearly tethered blimp thing and jumped, yep, you will be ho'd. And please cry about it on the chat thingy, it's so entertaining.

^^^^This guys wife probably pegs him

[Arlo]

[The Fugitive]

I like early and mid merge breakers.  A quick low angle face shot can make all the difference. If i'm packing more firepower than you you can expect a half face fast shot or full HO. If I'm low E and doing the nearly tethered blimp thing and jumped, yep, you will be ho'd. And please cry about it on the chat thingy, it's so entertaining.

The HO is just another reason why players dont stick around. 20-30 HOs and they figure that they aren't "winning" enough of them and soon get bored and so move on. Having to dodge HO attempt after HO attempt is almost as bad..... why bother? There are other games to play, and so we lose more players.

Practice, learn a few moves, LEARN TO FIGHT!

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Do you even play any more?