1/2 winged planes

[The Fugitive]

To make it very simple, he is complaining about after shooting off half a wing you still have a 10-15 minute chase to finish them off because they dont seem to lose ANY speed with that damage.

While no engineer, it seems to me that it should be very easy to catch a damaged plane (missing half a wing) very quickly should I choose to go after them.

[Wiley]

He’s complaining about other planes not his own. 

His premise does have a point.

That he has no idea what correct is, but he thinks what is there is wrong?  It's not that tremendously useful of a point.

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

That he has no idea what correct is, but he thinks what is there is wrong?  It's not that tremendously useful of a point.

Wiley.

I’d say he highlighted an issue that’s worthy of discussion.   What ultimately comes of it is anyone’s guess, but the point is he has one.

[Wiley]

I’d say he highlighted an issue that’s worthy of discussion.

What issue?  He hasn't defined what correct should be.

By who?  A bunch of people who don't have any better of an idea what correct is than he does?

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

What issue?  He hasn't defined what correct should be.

By who?  A bunch of people who don't have any better of an idea what correct is than he does?

Wiley.

He gave a reasonable expectation.   I’m inclined to agree with him. 

[Wiley]

He gave a reasonable expectation.   I’m inclined to agree with him.

What reasonable expectation?  He says they should go slower.  Based on what?  Anything concrete?  Not that I've seen.  My point is, he hasn't proven something is wrong.  He just feels it should go slower because reasons.  It's worthless noise.  May as well say they should go faster.  Both statements carry equal weight.

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

What reasonable expectation?  He says they should go slower.  Based on what?  Anything concrete?  Not that I've seen.  My point is, he hasn't proven something is wrong.  He just feels it should go slower because reasons.  It's worthless noise.  May as well say they should go faster.  Both statements carry equal weight.

Wiley.

We’ve already been down this road.   

No, both statements do not carry equal weight.  If planes with a mangled, unfaired half wing performed better than those without then they’d be designed that way from the outset. 

If Hitech simplified things for the sake of gameplay or ease of programming that’s his prerogative.   I have no dog in this fight.

[Wiley]

You still haven't described how much more drag that end is causing versus how much drag the missing part of the wing creates. You haven't even shown that that drag change isn't modeled.

Wiley.

[Vraciu]

You still haven't described how much more drag that end is causing versus how much drag the missing part of the wing creates. You haven't even shown that that drag change isn't modeled.

Wiley.

Previously addressed. 

We are gong in circles here. 

It is what it is. 

[Wiley]

Previously addressed. 

By saying a  roken wing creates drag but we can't describe the difference between that and the missing part of the wing. Yup. Conclusive proof something is wrong. 

Wiley.

[The Fugitive]

how much drag is added by rudder and ailiron input to counteract to loss of the half wing is there. I know I have to add a ton of input to keep it in the air. Shouldn't you lose speed for that?

[Vraciu]

By saying a  roken wing creates drag but we can't describe the difference between that and the missing part of the wing. Yup. Conclusive proof something is wrong. 

Wiley.

Again, previously addressed.  Your attempt to misrepresent the argument = fail. 

[Vraciu]

how much drag is added by rudder and ailiron input to counteract to loss of the half wing is there. I know I have to add a ton of input to keep it in the air. Shouldn't you lose speed for that?

Yes there should.  (Among a dozen other things.)

I mentioned this previously and Wiley has now zipped right past it all in a boomeranging attempt to ridicule.

The real question is...did the OP encounter an airplane with an energy state disparity that masked these previously mentioned aerodynamic effects?

[Wiley]

how much drag is added by rudder and ailiron input to counteract to loss of the half wing is there. I know I have to add a ton of input to keep it in the air. Shouldn't you lose speed for that?

Don't we?  I have been under the impression our control surfaces create drag. Same with not flying straight through the air.

Wiley.

[Wiley]

Being modeled doesn't mean modeled accurately.   (I'm not saying it's inaccurate either.)


You can be darned sure a mangled wing will create loads of drag.   All you have to do is look at VGs on the cockpit hump of a G-Whiz or a Legacy to know that.

Is this what you call "addressing" it?  By saying the above?

You still haven't shown what isn't modeled ingame currently.  You haven't defined anything about the behavior of the plane that should be different than what's currently there other than "it should be slower because of drag that I cannot quantify."

Wiley.