Can we talk about this C-130 crash?

[TyFoo]

So as to not to get his tinfoil hat sparking. . . .I recognize the pictures he posted and they underlie the high traffic North/ South J routes on the West coast between Socal and Seattle.

Where the pictures were taken are on the Jepp US (Lo) 1/ (H)1 enroute charts.

The atmosphere does continually change. Specifically in the troposphere in which we live and planes fly in. Temperatures, wind speed, water vapor content at various altitudes are always in flux.

[Vraciu]

Aircraft at different altitudes.

He didn't buy that one.

 

[Puma44]

Not buying it. The atmosphere doesn't change that rapidly in a span of 30 miles unless a front is coming thru. The air doesn't magically change from 12pm to 3 PM with the exact same sunny sky, and maybe a few degrees hotter.

Y'all make it so easy to get away with high crime I'll tell ya.

Well, the atmosphere can and does change in that distance or shorter.  Changes in standard lapse rate, wind shear, sun angle, levels of humidity, etc affect contrail formation or lack thereof. 

[DmonSlyr]

Fronts are almost always coming through.

I fly in the weather.   There is this giant yellow thing called the sun and it is VERY hot.    But it doesn't heat the earth in a uniform manner and thus we get this thing called CONVECTION...     Yadda' yadda' yadda'.

Contrails don't last forever.   What you are seeing is easily explained by normal atmospheric phenomena--and varying distance from your eyeball, aircraft type, etc. etc.

They are literally blocking the sun. Note my picture. That is not a normal contrail day.

[Vraciu]

They are literally blocking the sun. Note my picture. That is not a normal contrail day.

A contrail can LITERALLY BLOCK the sun.   They cast shadows.  You cannot see through them when they are fully formed, just like a cloud.  That's in essence what they are--a cloud.

Hot breath on a cold day.   

It's -54 degrees C up there, what the heck do you think an 850 degree C engine is going to do????

[Puma44]

So, has anyone heard anything else factual about the C-130 accident?

[DmonSlyr]

A contrail can LITERALLY BLOCK the sun.   They cast shadows.  You cannot see through them when they are fully formed, just like a cloud.  That's in essence what they are--a cloud.

Hot breath on a cold day.   

It's -54 degrees C up there, what the heck do you think an 850 degree C engine is going to do????

No they don't. On a typical sunny day here, no contrails block the sun. I've been watching for a year now.
For reference, these pics were from Troutdale, Oregon. I haven't seen long trials in over 2 weeks, enmasse, like the pics I've posted. Water vapor dissipates and evaporates in the direct sun light. Particals are tiny and will not hold water vapor the higher you go. These cross the sky and connect to almost make the sky look like a painting in a few hours.. It's not normal. I use to not believe in chemtrials until I moved here and was blown away by these things. Questioning these does not make it a conspiracy theory. Science is not a conspiracy theory.

[Puma44]

Science is not a conspiracy theory.

Contrails are all about science.  Your conspiracy theory doesn’t have any science to back it up.

[Vraciu]

No they don't. On a typical sunny day here, no contrails block the sun. I've been watching for a year now.
For reference, these pics were from Troutdale, Oregon. I haven't seen long trials in over 2 weeks, enmasse, like the pics I've posted. Water vapor dissipates and evaporates in the direct sun light. Particals are tiny and will not hold water vapor the higher you go. These cross the sky and connect to almost make the sky look like a painting in a few hours.. It's not normal. I use to not believe in chemtrials until I moved here and was blown away by these things. Questioning these does not make it a conspiracy theory. Science is not a conspiracy theory.

Nonsense.    Take a look at the pictures I just showed you.   You cannot see through those contrails.  They *are* clouds.

You get enough of them that persist and you can have what works out to a cloud layer, much like what we see in nature at very high altitudes (Cirrus, Cirrostratus, Cirrocumulus, etc.).

[Puma44]

For reference, here is a portion of a high altitude (FL 180 and above) chart in the Portland area used by Airlines, civilian jets, and military aircraft to transit the U.S.  It is logical to see that under the right conditions, numerous contrails will be seen in the sky (like your posted photos) at the same time.  For more on contrails, check this link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrail

With relatively light winds aloft, the contrails will hang for long periods of time and gradually spread out.

A check of winds aloft (issued 1+20 ago) in the Portland area at FL390 shows winds 213/20 and a temperature of -71F.

[DmonSlyr]

Contrails are all about science.  Your conspiracy theory doesn’t have any science to back it up.

Science starts with the scientific method.
1. Observation- wow, I see 10 contrails across the sky sprayed in one hour but not the others and stay there for 8 hours, not during the rest of week with the same temperature and same sunny day light.

2. Hypothisis - why are there 10 contrails across the sky during one hour but not the others for the rest of the day or week with the same temperature and same sunny day light?

Then we get to the testing phase which is tough for this.

Then we can come to our own conclusions based on testing.

I am observing and hypothisizing. They don't look like normal 1 miles contrials. I have pics of 2 different contrials in the same air space at the same time. 1 normal, 1 20 miles long. They haze the sky all day. The next day, no trials, same temp, same sunny day. Gee, Did the atmosphere completely change??? Nah...

Asking questions doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist. It makes me a concerned citizen.

Look up the studies on coal ash. Look up increasing barium and aluminum by PPM in Forest. All drastically increasing as the heavy metals float down all over the place. They spread out as they fall because they don't break down. These are completely different than a 1 mile trial. 100% totally different.

[Zimme83]

Science starts with the scientific method.
1. Observation- wow, I see 10 contrails across the sky sprayed in one hour but not the others and stay there for 8 hours, not during the rest of week with the same temperature and same sunny day light.

2. Hypothisis - why are there 10 contrails across the sky during one hour but not the others for the rest of the day or week with the same temperature and same sunny day light?

Then we get to the testing phase which is tough for this.

Then we can come to our own conclusions based on testing.

I am observing and hypothisizing. They don't look like normal 1 miles contrials. I have pics of 2 different contrials in the same air space at the same time. 1 normal, 1 20 miles long. They haze the sky all day. The next day, no trials, same temp, same sunny day. Gee, Did the atmosphere completely change??? Nah...

Asking questions doesn't make me a conspiracy theorist. It makes me a concerned citizen.

Look up the studies on coal ash. Look up increasing barium and aluminum by PPM in Forest. All drastically increasing as the heavy metals float down all over the place. They spread out as they fall because they don't break down. These are completely different than a 1 mile trial. 100% totally different.

Only problem is that your approach is "i dont understand this so it must be something shady going on". What you should do first is of course study meteorology. Most of your assumptions  are wrong, for ex that the conditions at 30k feet is the same as those on the ground. Just because you dont observe a change in weather on the ground doesnt mean that there isnt any change up in the atmosphere.  Clouds can appear in a large number of different ways depending on the conditions. From the thin and high Cirrus to the massive storm clouds. The exhausts of an aircraft engine contains soot particles and this allows for the condensation of the water in he air to start since the water needs something to 'attach' to in order to condensate. Depending on the condition this clouds disappear within a few minutes or the condensation continues and forms cirrus clouds. The latter often happens when an aircraft flies in the very front edge of a warm front:


Cloud formation from contrails is well known an sometimes have significant impact on the local weather, but it still doesnt mean that there are an evil scheme going on.

[Drano]

I'm beginning to think he thinks when he's standing on the ground looking up at the sky he's looking at the inside of a big blue ball. We're all just inside some giant's snow globe or something. This is just hilarious. Or terrifying. That's there's people out there like this walking the streets.


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[DmonSlyr]

I'm beginning to think he thinks when he's standing on the ground looking up at the sky he's looking at the inside of a big blue ball. We're all just inside some giant's snow globe or something. This is just hilarious. Or terrifying. That's there's people out there like this walking the streets.


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It's terrifying to me you people let your own government dark forces take advantage of you while you sit there and call everything a conspiracy without question. That's a product of a dumb downed sheep society. Which of course is another scheme for another thread. If you don't think evil exist in our senior executive service or Foreign Relations Committee and factions of the CIA. Think again.

[DmonSlyr]

Only problem is that your approach is "i dont understand this so it must be something shady going on". What you should do first is of course study meteorology. Most of your assumptions  are wrong, for ex that the conditions at 30k feet is the same as those on the ground. Just because you dont observe a change in weather on the ground doesnt mean that there isnt any change up in the atmosphere.  Clouds can appear in a large number of different ways depending on the conditions. From the thin and high Cirrus to the massive storm clouds. The exhausts of an aircraft engine contains soot particles and this allows for the condensation of the water in he air to start since the water needs something to 'attach' to in order to condensate. Depending on the condition this clouds disappear within a few minutes or the condensation continues and forms cirrus clouds. The latter often happens when an aircraft flies in the very front edge of a warm front:
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Cloud formation from contrails is well known an sometimes have significant impact on the local weather, but it still doesnt mean that there are an evil scheme going on.

Again, explain why there are 2 different contrials in the same air space in 2 of the pics I have posted, why do they all come at the same time of the day back to back. Why would airlines be flying 20K lower than the others to make a large trail? These planes are at least 30K.  It doesn't make sense. Those contrials literally paint the sky. It's not normal. A normal day shows no lines after all the planes cross. A normal day doesn't show 15 lines across the sky. Then, one random day that week, they all appear. It's BS. It's not caused by air. It's caused by coal ash being sprayed. Just look at research.