How do you fight what you cannot see?

[lunatic1]

No customer who pays $14.95 is restricted other than ENY or perk points. The MA is an open world slugfest where you take your chances once you leave the tower. The 1000lb bomb makes a Tiger II worthless in a world dominated by 1000lb bombs. Hitech has not restricted the use of the 1000lb bomb. Yes for an airplane driver it's maddening to have 1000lb bombs and GVers won't play nice and sit in the open to be bombed. So you end up controlled by the initiatives of GVers who will take your base from you if you ignore them and furball when that is really what you logged in for.

A bigger stylistic problem is today too many players are resorting to the film viewer at the get go to augment GVDAR. What ever solution we may get from Hitech, we better embrace the reality that this game will not have enough $14.95 if it does not have that BS "unrestricted GVing" going on. Players can restrict each other with game mechanisms like the 1000lb bomb can be taken away by players killing the ord bunkers, and those klingon tree cloaked greifing GVers can be restricted by killing their origin vehicle hanger. Too many are playing this game today with a War Thunder mentality in an arena that can hold 100 War Thunder arena's at the same time.

I fly airplanes and I hate GVs. I firmly believe their $14.95 and fun in our game is just as important to the future of this game as my $14.95 and fun flying airplanes.


Here is how important I believe they are to our game. This is my new terrain that is ready for me to send to Hitech after this Holiday. Here is some of the micro textured terrain I've created to enhance the GV aspect of our game. Hetzers are going to clean up with ambushes in this. The screen shots are around the spawns which are all three miles from the maproom.


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  now see this is what I like less trees more open space  not for bomb****ing but for tank vs tank fighting, although I have camped spawns, I prefer open field fighting let the more accurate gv'r win that's what is truly fun for me win or lose. nice Bustr

[lunatic1]

No, I don't think you do.  I just said when you get into a GV, 90% of the time you more or less cease to exist in my world. 

I'm not here to drop bombs on helpless buildings or tanks most of the time.  In general, I find GVing about as entertaining as watching paint dry.

Wiley.

I may be wrong, but this guy^^ is only playing a fighter pilot, like a few people I know or see-only flies to kill other pilots-does not care who wins war or how many bases his country loses very  rarely helps attack or defend a base unless he knows there are enemy planes there.

so if you don't care about gving or killing gvs why are you even posting here?

[lunatic1]

as I asked wily in my answer post^^

IF you don't care about gvs or bombing gvs or anything else about gvs.
WHY ARE ANY OF YOU POSTING HERE.

[lunatic1]

Let me get this straight.  You are telling me this issue is I do not have the required skills to be able to find GVs and that others who have practiced can find them easily?

So other threads about GV visibility, using film viewer to locate GVs, 6 players hunting for a single GV for 30 minutes....etc etc.....this all due to us lacking skills and nothing to do with the visibility of the GV?

IT DOEs help to get to know your tank-know how fast your tank is-how to aim the gun to know your range-to figure the range on the enemy tank or approximate range-to shoot and kill on the fly<--leading the target-to drive your tank without rolling it-where to hit the tank to try to kill it with 1 shot-gv'r motto  1 shot 1 kill. somewhat like a plane--figure speed range lead hitting the right spot, all the while trying not to get shot at-just like in a plane--but tanks are on the ground so they have cover planes don't.
gv combat air combat you need both for combat--even warthunder have both assets..

I'm pretty sure without gvs, this game would not last long

[Wiley]

I may be wrong, but this guy^^ is only playing a fighter pilot, like a few people I know or see-only flies to kill other pilots-does not care who wins war or how many bases his country loses very  rarely helps attack or defend a base unless he knows there are enemy planes there.

so if you don't care about gving or killing gvs why are you even posting here?

I was attempting to explain why people who usually don't care about GVs, if they decide to help with a defense have to contend with GVs, and tend to get frustrated with searching for The Invisible Man.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,393572.msg5221760.html#msg5221760

Wiley.

[lunatic1]

Is this 999,999th whine fest about GV's killing the game just another steam vent or, are any of you so far gone partizan you don't understand if Hitech reduces the game to "fighters are us", the doors close and you just shot yourselves in the face with your own MK108 out of vengeful spite over nothing?

Even if he brings back long range Icons on GVs like AH2, in AH2 you whined the same whines about GV's killing the game. Back then you had the same problem of turning your back on your furball field meant they took it out from under you with a ground force. You wanted GVs out of the Melee arena back then even with a heavily populated aircraft DA arena for dueling, and didn't care about future consequences to Hitech's revenue stream like today.

Tankers won't use a tank only fighting arena just like furballers won't use a furball only dueling arena anymore. And Hitech named the MA the Melee arena becasue everyone uses "all" the toys how ever they want for their $14.95.

[lunatic1]

Is this 999,999th whine fest about GV's killing the game just another steam vent or, are any of you so far gone partizan you don't understand if Hitech reduces the game to "fighters are us", the doors close and you just shot yourselves in the face with your own MK108 out of vengeful spite over nothing?

Even if he brings back long range Icons on GVs like AH2, in AH2 you whined the same whines about GV's killing the game. Back then you had the same problem of turning your back on your furball field meant they took it out from under you with a ground force. You wanted GVs out of the Melee arena back then even with a heavily populated aircraft DA arena for dueling, and didn't care about future consequences to Hitech's revenue stream like today.

Tankers won't use a tank only fighting arena just like furballers won't use a furball only dueling arena anymore. And Hitech named the MA the Melee arena becasue everyone uses "all" the toys how ever they want for their $14.95.

TRUTH^^

[Devil 505]

IF you don't care about gvs or bombing gvs or anything else about gvs.
WHY ARE ANY OF YOU POSTING HERE.

I've said it several times before, so apparently reading comprehension is not your thing. I'll draw you a diagram.

AH FOOD CHAIN

Fighters
     
      |

Heavy Fighters

      |

Ground Attack Planes/GV hunter aircraft

     |

Bombers

     |

Tanks

     |

Troop/supply carriers

     |

Town buildings/ Strat objects



The AH ecosystem was healthy before the Storch and associated change to GV icons. GV fights used to provide ample food for every tier in the food chain, but the change in icons meant that the GV killers could not sustain their numbers and likewise the fighters and fighter bombers began to starve as well. I want to restore balance to the AH ecosystem.

[Vraciu]

as I asked wily in my answer post^^

IF you don't care about gvs or bombing gvs or anything else about gvs.
WHY ARE ANY OF YOU POSTING HERE.

You're having reading issues today, bruh.   

[lunatic1]

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uhhh laser guided bombs destroyed a lot of targets

[lunatic1]

I don't GV anymore. I have done it and did not like the experience.

yeah I can see that it was much more fun in AH2

[lunatic1]

You're having reading issues today, bruh.   

I guess so lol

[bustr]

You will have to query Hitech if over the life time of AH2 the old Icon range for GV's lost him customers. I don't know, but he most of the time appears to make large scale impact changes like GV Icons and DAR after a long time of observing his customers and PM's, e-mail, and calls we never know about. I sometimes have wondered if the storch was an opening test to a longer term shift in GV search locating that resulted in the current environment. Storch's are so effective they are first line targets by tanks with some tank players having turned into wing shooting experts becasue of how slow they are.

If the GV icons are made visible at longer ranges, we will slaughter GV's like we did in AH2 becasue there was no way for them to hide from our planes while we stayed safe outside of wirble range. It was simple to hover over a wirble, then dive straight down when that player pointed his guns away and takeout the guns and climb backup to reset for a kill pass. In real life GV's could hide from airplanes and often it required scouts and some form of observer to vector in fighter bombers outside of the open plains tank battles in Russia. That food chain diagram is disingenuous becasue it was AH2 when we could slaughter GV's at will. Returning to that will cost Hitech customers. That is the past and we are no longer AH2 with customers to spare.

[LilMak]

I don’t GV but I believe the GV boys are welcome in the MA sandbox. They add dimension and spice to the game.

I personally leave them alone for the most part until they show up on my airfield and start shooting me while I take off. Then I’ll dust off the trusty D-40, get eggs, and will travel up to two sectors to rain 500lb terror on them in groups of three.

My biggest issue is the icon imbalance. Specifically a couple things...

1. If I can’t see an enemy tank till inside 1k, I shouldn’t be able to see a friendly tank until the same distance. Not cool for an enemy to be maneuvering yet drag you over that wirble he knew was there the whole time.

2. I think GVs should have their airplane icon reduced to the same distance as planes see them. Mostly because I don’t like being main gunned and I think it should be a bit more difficult to pull that gamey stuff off. The exception being anti-aircraft chassis’s. They should have longer icons but trees should yield my icon nearly invisible if they’re parked under one. The same as they’re nearly invisible to me.

3. Not related to icons but still bugs me is that a tank is instantly fixed and rearmed with a load of supplies but I have to land and sit on the riearm pad for 30 seconds just to reload with no damage repair whatsoever. Not fun to smoke a wirb only to have him firing again before I can get out of gun range.

4. As to tanks hiding in bushes, perhaps kicking a small cloud of dirt up that that lingers for a second or two would be a helpful solution. Thus allowing the tank to hide until it goes offensive. As a former artilleryman, I can tell you we kicked up some serious dust every time we fired those 105s in a direct fire capacity (aka muzzle low, full charge, and target in sight).

Like I said. I truly appreciate the GVs even if I don’t use them. And I know we need to balance game play so they have a chance. But, in all honesty, there’s a reason why armored divisions liked low ceilings and bad weather. It allowed them to operate without the constant fear of enemy close air support.

[Devil 505]

That food chain diagram is disingenuous becasue it was AH2 when we could slaughter GV's at will. Returning to that will cost Hitech customers. That is the past and we are no longer AH2 with customers to spare.

You seem to have missed the entire point of what my diagram represents. The ability to "slaughter GV's at will" was a major component of what drove overall action. It's disappearance from AH even before AH3 is one major factor in the declining quality of MA action. AH3 only exacerbated the already existing problems.

Also, I disagree about the Storch being targeted because they are so effective. They are easy kills for any GV, simple as that.