How do you fight what you cannot see?

[Wiley]

If people look for air to air combat, why do they worry about finding GVīs? Isnīt that what this thread is about?

Generally I think it's frustration because quite often you'll repel an air attack, bardar disappears and the ground becomes littered with GVs.  They still want to defend the attack, but now they've got to contend with GVs instead of aircraft, which is a completely different style of gameplay altogether.

For me, a guy in a GV is The Invisible Man unless he's shooting at my plane.  They pretty much only exist to me when they take the base.  The only thing I'd miss if they left is their subscription dollars.

Wiley.

[Devil 505]

If people look for air to air combat, why do they worry about finding GVīs? Isnīt that what this thread is about?

Here's your answer in a nutshell.

So you end up controlled by the initiatives of GVers who will take your base from you if you ignore them and furball when that is really what you logged in for.

But to add to that there is also the issue of hidden Wirbelwinds which can kill an enemy before it is able to bee seen, if it's able to be seen at all.

[Vraciu]

Well, unrestricted GVing has brought us to where we are now. Ironic that you are now suddenly concerned with losing players. 

Truth Nuke.

[Litjan]

Here's your answer in a nutshell.
But to add to that there is also the issue of hidden Wirbelwinds which can kill an enemy before it is able to bee seen, if it's able to be seen at all.

I think that is akin to the issue of the LA7 or N1K that will kill you if you donīt run at first sight. You canīt run from it, you canīt outturn it - so with that same rationale I want those gone, too! 

Sometimes the enemy will do things that you donīt like. Take your base, drive GVs, fly a better plane, shoot you down before you can see him. Happens to me all the time, adds to the flavour and spice of this game. Frustration is part of it, too - and everyone loves shooting someone down who gets really mad about it even more!

Litjan

[Devil 505]

I think that is akin to the issue of the LA7 or N1K that will kill you if you donīt run at first sight. You canīt run from it, you canīt outturn it - so with that same rationale I want those gone, too! 

Spoken like a true non-fighter. No wonder you hide in the weeds.

[bustr]

Is this 999,999th whine fest about GV's killing the game just another steam vent or, are any of you so far gone partizan you don't understand if Hitech reduces the game to "fighters are us", the doors close and you just shot yourselves in the face with your own MK108 out of vengeful spite over nothing?

Even if he brings back long range Icons on GVs like AH2, in AH2 you whined the same whines about GV's killing the game. Back then you had the same problem of turning your back on your furball field meant they took it out from under you with a ground force. You wanted GVs out of the Melee arena back then even with a heavily populated aircraft DA arena for dueling, and didn't care about future consequences to Hitech's revenue stream like today.

Tankers won't use a tank only fighting arena just like furballers won't use a furball only dueling arena anymore. And Hitech named the MA the Melee arena becasue everyone uses "all" the toys how ever they want for their $14.95.

[RUSH1]

Generally I think it's frustration because quite often you'll repel an air attack, bardar disappears and the ground becomes littered with GVs.  They still want to defend the attack, but now they've got to contend with GVs instead of aircraft, which is a completely different style of gameplay altogether.

For me, a guy in a GV is The Invisible Man unless he's shooting at my plane.  They pretty much only exist to me when they take the base.  The only thing I'd miss if they left is their subscription dollars.

Wiley.

So you want us around when it's convenient for you.  I understand now.

[Wiley]

So you want us around when it's convenient for you.  I understand now.

No, I don't think you do.  I just said when you get into a GV, 90% of the time you more or less cease to exist in my world. 

I'm not here to drop bombs on helpless buildings or tanks most of the time.  In general, I find GVing about as entertaining as watching paint dry.

Wiley.

[FESS67]

I do not see it as a them and us thing.  There are issues both ways and discussions help to move things forward.

As far as this being to 9999999th whine on the topic, do you not think that there MUST be an issue to constantly generate negative posts?

In WW2 the germans were basically pinned down by allied air power and if it moved in daylight it died.

This is a game so some parity needs to be found.  Invisible GVs are no more of a solution than laser guided bombs.

Possible solution could be to bring the clouds down to 500 feet for x minutes at random bases to generate GV friendly areas and at the same time relax some of the GV visibility issue

[DLXIRON]

I think the compromise between aircraft and ground vehicles is quite clear!  HELICOPTERS!
It’s kinda like a ground vehicle that flys.  We can get rid of everything in the game and take the next couple of weeks to agree on one specific model of helicopter so that there is no eny anymore and we can all fight in helicopters!  Who’s with me???

[Slade]

I just want to log in, find the enemy and fight them.

+1

[The Fugitive]

I don"t think you realize how many players only subscribe to AH for the GVing.  Then there are quite a few that do both but won"t only pay for one.  We've already lost some GVers during the 2 to 3 transition and other changes like dar have others upset.  You think the MA numbers are low now?  Start needling the GV guys.

And so if the GV only crowd left it wouldnt drop the number of players in the air   

The point is that as "fights" whether they are air 2 air or air 2 ground become harder to find we lose more and more players to other games where those fights are easier to find.

If people look for air to air combat, why do they worry about finding GVīs? Isnīt that what this thread is about?

As wiley said, once the air 2 air dries up all that is left is air 2 ground. If you ignore the GVs they just come in a sneak base after base. Havent you ever logged in to see a string of enemy bases right through the heart of your territory? Thats what the "day crew" likes to do, jump from base to base in GVs rolling them almost unopposed.

Generally I think it's frustration because quite often you'll repel an air attack, bardar disappears and the ground becomes littered with GVs.  They still want to defend the attack, but now they've got to contend with GVs instead of aircraft, which is a completely different style of gameplay altogether.

For me, a guy in a GV is The Invisible Man unless he's shooting at my plane.  They pretty much only exist to me when they take the base.  The only thing I'd miss if they left is their subscription dollars.

Wiley.

Agreed 100%

[redcatcherb412]

there is also the issue of hidden Wirbelwinds which can kill an enemy before it is able to bee seen, if it's able to be seen at all.

Kinda like the unseen vulcher at 10k diving to take you out just before wheels up, or flaring landing a dead stick. Frustrating isn't it ? They're just pixels, you just up another one.

I haven't logged in for a couple of months, but see I haven't missed anything.

[Vraciu]

I do not see it as a them and us thing.  There are issues both ways and discussions help to move things forward.

As far as this being to 9999999th whine on the topic, do you not think that there MUST be an issue to constantly generate negative posts?

In WW2 the germans were basically pinned down by allied air power and if it moved in daylight it died.

This is a game so some parity needs to be found.  Invisible GVs are no more of a solution than laser guided bombs.

Possible solution could be to bring the clouds down to 500 feet for x minutes at random bases to generate GV friendly areas and at the same time relax some of the GV visibility issue

So much logic in one post.

+100000000

[Devil 505]

Kinda like the unseen vulcher at 10k diving to take you out just before wheels up, or flaring landing a dead stick. Frustrating isn't it ? They're just pixels, you just up another one.

I haven't logged in for a couple of months, but see I haven't missed anything.

Not at all similar. In a plane you have a 5K buffer between when an aircraft icon appears and when his guns are a threat to you. A plane is in firing range of a Wirb before an icon ever shows.

Do not confuse the inability to see a threat for a failure to look for one. That is the fundamental difference.