How do you fight what you cannot see?

[scott66]

Let me get this straight.  You are telling me this issue is I do not have the required skills to be able to find GVs and that others who have practiced can find them easily?

So other threads about GV visibility, using film viewer to locate GVs, 6 players hunting for a single GV for 30 minutes....etc etc.....this all due to us lacking skills and nothing to do with the visibility of the GV?

umm the short answer is yes... I'll admit finding gvs is not as easy since AH3 came out however gv dar with other common sense tools makes gv spotting not all that much more difficult.. Off the top of my head I can think of 12 different tools in the game to help find a well hidden and patient gver. None of which involve film viewer or shades..

A good cat and mouse game has lasted for hours

[BOBO]

To kill a GV you first must become a GV!

I disagree.  But I do find the trees super annoying.

[edge12674]

I can buy a GV shutdown and having its icon become invisible to most aircraft.  I think the better solution is to increase the ability of the Storch to find shut down vehicles via icons.  It adds a realistic aspect to the game by forcing coordination between the Storch and other air/ground assets.  As it currently stands the Storch cannot combat the gaming flaw of hiding by a certain type of terrain.  I for one have spent quite a bit of time in a Storch fruitlessly searching for someone, such a Ezpkns, who knows how to exploit the terrain flaw.

[The Fugitive]

I disagree.  But I do find the trees super annoying.
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Spotting GVs on a base is easy, that is not what we are talking about.

Fess, myself and a couple other were turning back an attack on 52 I think. Many GVs, mostly M3s trying to get troops in because it was WF. One or two guys in GVs trying to get to town to defend, me and Fess in the air with one other guy spotting or shooting M3s and or troops until they could get there. ENEMY wirble came in from the west spawn and was moving toward town to try and cover the GVs from us air cons. I know he got me atleast twice but we turned back the attack. I spent the next 10 minutes looking for this wirble. Flying low and slow over the area of GV dar figuring he is going to just lie low until we disappear so he can land all those kills. Never found him, moved on to find some action.

That base has to watched now because while the dar is a known wirble, it COULD hide a bunch of other GVs looking to sneak back in and there is no warning if they try it other than capping and hunting (base is already flashing, dar is on due to wirble). I play the game for action/combat, not to fly a grid looking for a GV hiding in the bushes whose driver is away taking his wife out to dinner.

Add a time to the campers. Hide 2 minutes, skoot 2 minutes, repeat.

[popeye]

I think the better solution is to increase the ability of the Storch to find shut down vehicles via icons.  It adds a realistic aspect to the game by forcing coordination between the Storch and other air/ground assets.

This.

[Litjan]

Sorry guys, I completely disagree with the OPs view.

Playing GV can be quick fun, adds another dimension to the game, and sometimes (when I am on my laptop) is all I can do.

GVīs SHOULD be hard to spot from high and fast planes, especially in an area covered by forests. I have no problems finding GVs when I fly my plane low and slow. The GV icon shows up at 800 yards, even for a shutdown GV. Granted, it is blocked by tree canopies, but if you fly low, you can see them ok most of the time. Granted, you may get shot down if you happen upon an Wirbelwind, but hey, its a war out there!

If a GV just sits in a bush hiding, let it sit there! It canīt do anything while hiding.

Also keep in mind - as a GV player, if you get spotted by an aircraft carrying a bomb, you are dead. Even if you are a Wirbelwind. I can kill any GV in the game with my JU87D with a 100% success rate, there is nothing they can do. So GVīs NEED some help - they are not supposed to be easy targets for some latewar plane jockey to boost their K/D and ego.

The GV vs GV game is seriously flawed as it is - you shut down, listen, move a bit, shut down again... itīs more like Silent Hunter than a GV simulation. Everyone drives T34s, they are hard to kill yet kill even KingTigers easily. You drive for 10 minutes only to die to an unseen enemy with the first shot at a ridiculous range...

So please, donīt make the GV game any more frustrating. It may just prove to be an access to this game for new players that donīt lack the mental strength to go through the initiation rite of 3 months of getting shot down by the 25+year vets over and over again before making their own first air to air kill...

Jan (Litjan)

[Vraciu]

To kill a GV you first must become a GV!

You have to pass the bill to find out what's in the bill.

Be water my friend.

[The Fugitive]

Sorry guys, I completely disagree with the OPs view.

Playing GV can be quick fun, adds another dimension to the game, and sometimes (when I am on my laptop) is all I can do.

GVīs SHOULD be hard to spot from high and fast planes, especially in an area covered by forests. I have no problems finding GVs when I fly my plane low and slow. The GV icon shows up at 800 yards, even for a shutdown GV. Granted, it is blocked by tree canopies, but if you fly low, you can see them ok most of the time. Granted, you may get shot down if you happen upon an Wirbelwind, but hey, its a war out there!

If a GV just sits in a bush hiding, let it sit there! It canīt do anything while hiding.

Also keep in mind - as a GV player, if you get spotted by an aircraft carrying a bomb, you are dead. Even if you are a Wirbelwind. I can kill any GV in the game with my JU87D with a 100% success rate, there is nothing they can do. So GVīs NEED some help - they are not supposed to be easy targets for some latewar plane jockey to boost their K/D and ego.

The GV vs GV game is seriously flawed as it is - you shut down, listen, move a bit, shut down again... itīs more like Silent Hunter than a GV simulation. Everyone drives T34s, they are hard to kill yet kill even KingTigers easily. You drive for 10 minutes only to die to an unseen enemy with the first shot at a ridiculous range...

So please, donīt make the GV game any more frustrating. It may just prove to be an access to this game for new players that donīt lack the mental strength to go through the initiation rite of 3 months of getting shot down by the 25+year vets over and over again before making their own first air to air kill...

Jan (Litjan)

First off, a couple of wirbles DID get your JU last month   

So from your point of view, your saying that AH should continue to lose players who are looking for air to air combat for the sake of giving newbs a chance to get acclimated to the game by doing nothing but building confidence while hiding in bushes with a GV. It sounds more like a winning formula to build a new "tank" game.

Maybe if players find it too easy to die to planes in their GVs they might jump into a plane where they could learn to fight back.

[Dundee]

I speak Verbosity and I can translate for you.
Most of the maps were made long ago when we had 400 plus players every night.
Be patient. More maps are on the way that are better suited for the lower numbers we currently see in the M.A.

 

Throwing more restrictions on the GV will result in less player in the long run, trust me

[Devil 505]

Throwing more restrictions on the GV will result in less player in the long run, trust me

Well, unrestricted GVing has brought us to where we are now. Ironic that you are now suddenly concerned with losing players. 

[RUSH1]

First off, a couple of wirbles DID get your JU last month   

So from your point of view, your saying that AH should continue to lose players who are looking for air to air combat for the sake of giving newbs a chance to get acclimated to the game by doing nothing but building confidence while hiding in bushes with a GV. It sounds more like a winning formula to build a new "tank" game.

Maybe if players find it too easy to die to planes in their GVs they might jump into a plane where they could learn to fight back.

I don"t think you realize how many players only subscribe to AH for the GVing.  Then there are quite a few that do both but won"t only pay for one.  We've already lost some GVers during the 2 to 3 transition and other changes like dar have others upset.  You think the MA numbers are low now?  Start needling the GV guys.

[Litjan]

So from your point of view, your saying that AH should continue to lose players who are looking for air to air combat

If people look for air to air combat, why do they worry about finding GVīs? Isnīt that what this thread is about?

[bustr]

No customer who pays $14.95 is restricted other than ENY or perk points. The MA is an open world slugfest where you take your chances once you leave the tower. The 1000lb bomb makes a Tiger II worthless in a world dominated by 1000lb bombs. Hitech has not restricted the use of the 1000lb bomb. Yes for an airplane driver it's maddening to have 1000lb bombs and GVers won't play nice and sit in the open to be bombed. So you end up controlled by the initiatives of GVers who will take your base from you if you ignore them and furball when that is really what you logged in for.

A bigger stylistic problem is today too many players are resorting to the film viewer at the get go to augment GVDAR. What ever solution we may get from Hitech, we better embrace the reality that this game will not have enough $14.95 if it does not have that BS "unrestricted GVing" going on. Players can restrict each other with game mechanisms like the 1000lb bomb can be taken away by players killing the ord bunkers, and those klingon tree cloaked greifing GVers can be restricted by killing their origin vehicle hanger. Too many are playing this game today with a War Thunder mentality in an arena that can hold 100 War Thunder arena's at the same time.

I fly airplanes and I hate GVs. I firmly believe their $14.95 and fun in our game is just as important to the future of this game as my $14.95 and fun flying airplanes.


Here is how important I believe they are to our game. This is my new terrain that is ready for me to send to Hitech after this Holiday. Here is some of the micro textured terrain I've created to enhance the GV aspect of our game. Hetzers are going to clean up with ambushes in this. The screen shots are around the spawns which are all three miles from the maproom.

[SlipKnt]

This.

AGREE!

[Oldman731]

If people look for air to air combat, why do they worry about finding GVīs? Isnīt that what this thread is about?

A good point.

- oldman