How do you fight what you cannot see?

[TWCAxew]

In the open, sure, but in the trees with the engine off, you are not killing my of those.

Good! It's well hidden and is wasting its own time. Let it sit there. It's not harming anyone except flashing a base. Up a storch if you really want to find it.  Besides if they get to a town they are easy to see. That's one of the only places where it can harm your side anyway.

That being said, I like the M3 scouting idea from the other treat.

[Vulcan]

In the open, sure, but in the trees with the engine off, you are not killing my of those.

Yup I do. You need to stop relying on icons.

[save]

There is quite some of things to do to stay away from trouble in a tank, else you cover is out of the window, and soon you will be in a steel coffin, incinerated:

This is what I learned during my years in tanks :

Tracks reveal you, either the area should be full of tracks going everywhere or you better not showing your tracks at all, always travel in safety, never in the open.
When you shoot, you must scoot, the flame is intensive and short, but the smoke stay there for some time.
When you move, you will be detected at very long range if not obscured totally by trees.
Bad weather/night is you best friend against planes.

Wirbies / Ostwind / M16 should have range icons for planes omitted, it is basically a ranging computer, something unheard of in the 40's.

[Traveler]

Yup I do. You need to stop relying on icons.

Well if the game provided more realistic information on the location of a tracked vehicle I'd agree, but the  game right now only provides for the Icon, there are no tracks left from any of the GV's, there is no indication from broken trees, tree limbs  or exhaust , you say you can see them, well I can't and neither can most of the people I know.  No flashes visible from the main gun, nothing visible from under the tree, the Icon is not there.  I used to play the game as much as you do, but not any more, one of the reasons is the invisible GV and a move important reason I play less and less is the reluctance of management to make any kind of meaningful changes to the game.  It's played today exactly as we did almost 20 years ago.  There have been lots of suggestions over the years, some great, some not so great, but game play remains the same.  It would be nice if the Road and Transportation system actually had an impact on game play.  Have a meaning full road and rail system.  Roads that needed bridges that could either help or hinder a country.  Add engineering troops and supplies to build/repair bridges, towns, rail systems and provide chock points that will need to be fought over and held to advance and capture of a town.

[hitech]

He said the last time he played the game was 6 months ago, six months ago you could see the GV's, that is not true now.

I can not think of anything that has made vehicles LESS visible in the last 6 months. In fact I believe just the opposite, vehicles have been made easier to find do to the new sector display of vehicles.

HiTech

[Mano]

If you up a M-8 you can find ANY GV in the game, even another M-8 or a tiny jeep that is hiding in a bush.
I always find the hiding gv......ask any gv'er. I know lots of gv'ers that know how to find them. 

 

[Copprhed]

And I hate you for it, Mano!!!

[Puma44]

It's not that accurate or we would have real low clouds and sometimes fog

Very true.  Unrealistic to have clear blue skies, high clouds, and unlimited visibility all the time.

[Devil 505]

If you up a M-8 you can find ANY GV in the game, even another M-8 or a tiny jeep that is hiding in a bush.
I always find the hiding gv......ask any gv'er. I know lots of gv'ers that know how to find them. 

 

The problem is finding GV's from aircraft. Nothing is helped by using an M-8 or any other GV. This game needs more players in planes at low altitude. Hunting GV's used to provide that in spades,

[27th]

Those players that do like the GV side of the game do not have issues finding GV's. They participate, practice and get better at what they do. If a player is not willing to put the time in to learn the ground game, then I find it difficult to support their complaint. There is no easy way to learn the air or ground game except to participate, ask questions, learn and practice the necessary skills to get better.

Anything short of that effort is just asking for one side of the game to be dumbed down for the benefit of those that would rather complain. If you do not want to learn the ground game then try to find satisfaction with what you do best.

Absolutely. 

The last 3-4 years in my 18 years on this game I have been enjoying the GV aspect. Tyfoo comment is spot on.

How much is this game going to dummy down for players that are lazy to "play the game". The GV Dar has been implamented and it has neutured the GV aspect already. The town is flashing and/or the base giving you a warning already.

You want more dummy down aids? Don't be lazy and think for once.

No customer who pays $14.95 is restricted other than ENY or perk points. The MA is an open world slugfest where you take your chances once you leave the tower. The 1000lb bomb makes a Tiger II worthless in a world dominated by 1000lb bombs. Hitech has not restricted the use of the 1000lb bomb. Yes for an airplane driver it's maddening to have 1000lb bombs and GVers won't play nice and sit in the open to be bombed. So you end up controlled by the initiatives of GVers who will take your base from you if you ignore them and furball when that is really what you logged in for.

bustr, you assume to much. Who has asked the 1000lbs to be restricted? Are you getting you info from Fox News? 

Dude, don't assume what people logged in for please, you sound like a politician.


Yeah, today, in these times, typically a GVer wont go on a offensive with a Tiger 2 these days on a base in a world of GV dar.  Why take a perk tank that cost around 250 to get easily pointed out and bombed right away? There is no element of surpise. People say the Tiger 2 is a hanger queen ,well GV dar made sure that.

Anyhow, the part of the game has changed and it has its consequences.

 
27th

[Traveler]

I can not think of anything that has made vehicles LESS visible in the last 6 months. In fact I believe just the opposite, vehicles have been made easier to find do to the new sector display of vehicles.

HiTech

That's not what many of us are experiencing.  The Vehicles dar  is very gamey, if asked I'm against it.  Tanks in real life, leave signs that they passed this way, deep tread marks, broken trees, none of that is in the game, Players have found a way to park a tank under a tree and even with lots of people looking it remains invisible, at least to this player it does, and to many many more players.  Sure there was a time when killing a GV was too easy, the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

[hitech]

That's not what many of us are experiencing.  The Vehicles dar  is very gamey, if asked I'm against it.  Tanks in real life, leave signs that they passed this way, deep tread marks, broken trees, none of that is in the game, Players have found a way to park a tank under a tree and even with lots of people looking it remains invisible, at least to this player it does, and to many many more players.  Sure there was a time when killing a GV was too easy, the pendulum has swung too far the other way.

I was simply calling BS on your statement that Vehicles are harder to see now then 6 months ago. If they are more difficult now, what has changed in the last 6 months that makes them harder to see. 

HiTech

[Traveler]

I was simply calling BS on your statement that Vehicles are harder to see now then 6 months ago. If they are more difficult now, what has changed in the last 6 months that makes them harder to see. 

HiTech

I don't know I don't play your game that much anymore, down to just once a week.  Perhaps it was more then 6 months, you would know much better then me.  I'm just saying that when I do now search for GV's I'm not finding them and I never search for them in another GV, I seldom do GV's except to run supplies or troops when asked.  I don't do the GV to GV thing.  But what I've experienced is an inability to spot GV's that are not out in the open.  I can see them even without an Icon, but once in the trees, not so much.  Oh, and it's not BS, it's what I am experiencing in the game. 

[hitech]

He said the last time he played the game was 6 months ago, six months ago you could see the GV's, that is not true now.

I was simply calling BS on your statement that Vehicles are harder to see now then 6 months ago.

HiTech

[The Fugitive]

I was simply calling BS on your statement that Vehicles are harder to see now then 6 months ago. If they are more difficult now, what has changed in the last 6 months that makes them harder to see. 

HiTech

There hasnt been anything "coad" wise changed in the last 6 months, but I think more and more players have adapted to what is allowable and so have become more invisible.