88s

[LilMak]

here we go again-whine, cry, gripe, . the 88's in this game are manned as they were in WWII except the Strats-- The 88 is only as good as it's gunner. since this flight sim is Mimicking WWII, there should be 88's, they were manned 88's in WWII and so they are here, and should be. a lot of planes carry rockets use them to kill the base guns  simple as they done in WWII should be done in here--get over it-they are not going anywhere.

so -1

signed, you're friend  Lunatic

So much I disagree with in this statement.

Signed, LilMak

[JimmyD3]

So much I disagree with in this statement.

Signed, LilMak

Well there is a big surprise.

[Slade]

[88] you can dive in and kill one before it can turn to shoot you. That how slow they move.

Good point and good intel.  As a guy that would rather cut my wrist than jump in a field gun when planes available, I respect that the 88's are modeled as such. 

BTW, when 88's "pop" me out of the sky I am usually in a fighter.  Also, most of the time it seems like a rage action after I kill a plane and not cuz its 8 v 1 odds.  LOL usually 1 v 1 or very close to that.

You guys brought up another good point.  It might be a cool compromise to have them effectively only go after bombers.  Was that not their prime objective in German city defenses?  I mean a Tiger tank, and that slow turret, was not used to shoot down geese but I'm sure it could (if the guy in the Tiger did not have a day job and worked on it to the point of perfection). Point =  should be RARE occurrence.  That 88's target and kill fighters with this level of frequency is the issue.

Thanks for all your posts.

[icepac]

I have never been popped by 88mm manned ack but the 37mm are deadly.

[JimmyD3]

For all you anti-88 guys, the 88's are defensive weapons just like the 37mm and the auto ack.

[Slade]

For a defensive weapon it amazes me how quickly they pop me out of the sky!

I get it.  Some guys have gotten really good at gaming that thing.  My point is, can we make it more conducive for people to have to jump into planes than do the 88 thing?

I dont think that is too much to ask.

[Zimme83]

For a defensive weapon it amazes me how quickly they pop me out of the sky!

I get it.  Some guys have gotten really good at gaming that thing.  My point is, can we make it more conducive for people to have to jump into planes than do the 88 thing?

I dont think that is too much to ask.

Jumping into a plane, climb up to you at 10 k and accelerate to have the same E as you takes ~5 mins, and by then you are no longer there. So its simpler to just pop you out of the sky w a 88.

But you shouldn't be shot down by an 88. In a bomber maybe but not in a fighter. it takes the round 10 seconds to fly up to you so all you have to do is to change your heading and altitude and the 88 gunner have no chance to hit you, other than by luck.. Do not fly straight and level and you should be fine.

[popeye]

I can't hit anything flying with 88s but do often use them to defend a base from GVs.  I'd be fine with replacing the 88s with 17lb guns with proper views.

[LilMak]

For all you anti-88 guys, the 88's are defensive weapons just like the 37mm and the auto ack.

It’s not that I’m against the 88. I feel too many players spend too much time in them instead of other available tools. I pay a subscription to engage other players in combat. With the numbers dwindling, people living in 88s is reducing the number of players participating in combat. The fundamental problem is range. It’s range is so far that it makes it a grief weapon.

When I show up by myself at an untouched enemy base, the default is for some guy to miss me endlessly in an 88. Eventually I get bored and fly away. So there was a player there who basically became puffy ack because they didn’t want to fight. This is not what I pay for. When there were 600 people online it wasn’t a big deal. Now two or three people in guns represents a significant percentage of the players on a team.

There’s a simple litmus test (pay attention HT)...

“If everyone was doing this right now would this game be any fun?”

The answer to that question in the case of 88 gunners is unequivocally “No.” If every player was sitting in an 88 gun, there would be no game. If the answer to that question is ever “No” it shouldn’t be added to an open word type game because it gives players the opportunity to participate without getting involved.

[hgtonyvi]

Why not just get a kill on the person that's sitting in the man ack? I think that will make them think twice.

[lunaticfringe]

you all crybabies need to shut the hell up and quit you're crying about the 88's. they were parts of and used in WWII they are apart of this game and will be used in this game..

you can use rockets to take out the guns..
Vraciu-you fly ponie's they can carry rockets USE THEM.

Lilmak-you fly P-47's they can carry 8-10 rockets USE THEM.

all kinds of Planes in this game can carry rockets USE THEM.

or is it you just want to have something to cry about? <--which is just sad--(.

Maybe if HiTech or Skuzzy would come in here and post an answer or make a statement.

[The Fugitive]

you all crybabies need to shut the hell up and quit you're crying about the 88's. they were parts of and used in WWII they are apart of this game and will be used in this game..

you can use rockets to take out the guns..
Vraciu-you fly ponie's they can carry rockets USE THEM.

Lilmak-you fly P-47's they can carry 8-10 rockets USE THEM.

all kinds of Planes in this game can carry rockets USE THEM.

or is it you just want to have something to cry about? <--which is just sad--(.

Maybe if HiTech or Skuzzy would come in here and post an answer or make a statement.

WOW! I'll say this slowly.

Its not about how deadly or dangerous the 88s are it is about players HIDING in 88/guns! Most would rather see them in PLANES to have fights against.

[ccvi]

"Hiding" in guns? The game comes with built-in maps of where they are. How can that be hiding?

[The Fugitive]

"Hiding" in guns? The game comes with built-in maps of where they are. How can that be hiding?

They dont die, there is no down side to HIDING in guns. The point still is they are not FLYING and FIGHTING.

[LilMak]

“It was in the war” is an ignorant argument.

All kinds of crap was in WWII. That doesn’t mean it belongs in a game. Let me remind you. We ARE playing a game.

A perfect example is friendly fire. That was a thing in war. But it doesn’t belong in the MA because it would ruin the GAME.