88s

[800nate800]

lazy old men whose hearts cant take virtual G-forces... = 88s

[bustr]

The point again is, More people in 88s = less people in planes.

Do you really think this has any causation to why they are in 88's, 37mm, wirbles or just watching the game from the tower. Realistically, without those diversions they would just log off. With those, you may get them out later on that evening or day in planes or GV if some initiative picks up at another location. If they log off, that initiative may never start up because there would be no illusion of numbers. You and nate are viewing other customers motivations for being here myopically and through a lot of self serving personal projection.

The 20\80 principle holds true for this game how ever low or high the arena numbers are. When we had 400 a night it was not as noticeable that numbers of players were sitting in man-able guns becasue there were enough of the percentage who wanted to play piu, piu, piu in airplanes to keep you from noticing. With less than 200, everything about how customers want to interact with the game environment is unavoidably noticeable. People who sit in man-able guns do eventually up in planes or GVs, just not on your schedule to make you happy. 

[The Fugitive]

Bustr, this is the original post.

Team,

I dont know why one is compelled to get in an 88 to shoot down my P-40.  No worries this is not a rage post. 

In THIS game I'd like to think anything that keeps a player in a PLANE or at least a GV is the ideal.  Minimally I'd like the accuracy of 88's to be taken WAY WAY down to promote people getting in vehicles.

Can I please get some +1's on this wish fellas!?


Thanks,

Slade 

[Slade]

Kudos to those guys that pick us planes off in 88s from 1k out and less. 

Now as far as WWII realism...

[icepac]

I was never hit by an 88 but I don't fly down the barrel.   

Same people complaining about being main gunned by a tank on 200.....and it happens to the same people over and over.

[Slade]

Same people complaining about being main gunned by a tank on 200.....and it happens to the same people over and over.

I never complained about that and never will.


88's ability to hit a fast moving plane less than 1k out however...

[Slade]

1 ping at less than 1k.  One ping and dead. 

Who would be happy about this other than the guy exploiting the 88. 

EDIT 1: Three times in a row = 1 ping 88 deaths.  You can PM me for his name but I won't call him or any out in public.  This exploit needs to go!

In an effort to find a solution, if we could know the location of a person that exploits an 88 (via an personal ACL*), and only if they are in an 88, we could avoid them.

* ACL = Access Control List

Code-wise something like this (assuming an 88 weapon_type is say "1001"):
IF (upper(player_name) = "JSMITH") and (ActiveWeapon = 1001) THEN
    BaseColor="Purple"
END IF
Could loop through a personal ACL via an array etc..

That is, if an 88 exploiter is in a 88 make the base color purple...and thus I\we wont go there and enjoy their 88 one shot ping kills.

EDIT 2: Being solutions oriented, I came to the above after actually upping a plane (190f8) to try and take out his 88.  He popped me in one shot as I dropped within 1k.  What more can I do?  I dont want to quit.

Hey, I live with knowing there are many exploit-ish behaviors in any game.  If any of you have a real counter to this one PM me.  I'll stop posting and they can continue to exploit the 88 as they wish.

[ccvi]

EDIT 2: Being solutions oriented, I came to the above after actually upping a plane (190f8) to try and take out his 88.  He popped me in one shot as I dropped within 1k.  What more can I do?  I dont want to quit.

Obviously, simply shoot him from 2k (e.g. with rockets),  or from an angle he cannot shoot back at (exactly vertical), or circle around faster than he can turn his gun (this works nicely in combination with a vertical approach, as with a tiny change you can make him require a 180deg  turn).

[bustr]

There is a player who has gone to the trouble of creating a clear plastic overlay for his monitor to help him aim the 88 and it works like a semi-aimbot. The US ARMY WW2 manual for the 88 has the ballistics time to detonation and arc plots in the back and Hitech's code for the 88 HE round and fuse works from that. The player told me he spent a lot of time working it out and now when he uses it he slays planes if he has his 88 pointing at you.

You can plot for the 37mm to give you lead at different speeds of passing planes. It's just the 100mph principle that anyone can look up and Hitech's environment is authentic to it. I should know since I created all the historic gunsight reticles for AH3 after years of research and application. The 37mm iron sight outer ring is 140Mil, so from there you calculate for lead at different speeds. Then you plot a 140Mil radi lead chart for every 100mph up to say 500 and tape that to your monitor when you are in the 37mm POing the pickers and vulchers and furball boys. I have an offline only terrain where I've setup a mesa just under the drones to practice with the wirble, 88, and a 37mm just under the drones as the pass by at elevations and ranges we see on airfields being attacked. Even have one set back from the runway for practice at 7k against the drones. I have tank ranges where I can sit 3miles out from the tank drones and hone my shooting skill in a tank while seeing how the different rounds work against different models of tank drones. Hmm, I should place an 88 and 17lb out there, didn't think about that this last time I modified that terrain to understand something that happens in the MA trees on BowlMA.

There are a number of AAF and USN manuals from WW2 that give you everything needed to create a 140Mil radi lead computing overlay. I'm betting Hitech used those manuals as references in creating his environment. So you are angry becasue someone decided to apply math and physics to make up for their lack of ability in ACM becasue they are not paying Hitech $14.95 just to feed you easy kills? It's not their job to do what you want to make you happy for their $14.95. At least they are not posting templates here in the forums for anyone to create the overlay. I've been nice and never gone that far, I just give away copies of my offline testing terrain. The draw back to offline mode with the drones is they travel slower than we fight in the MA. So if you learn to lead offline with the lead computing sight, you are learning to lead cons traveling at 250mph versus in the MA 300-500mph. Kind of sneaky of Hitech isn't it.....

[Vraciu]

You.  You.  You.  You.  You.  Yawn. 

[Shuffler]

1 ping at less than 1k.  One ping and dead. 

Who would be happy about this other than the guy exploiting the 88. 

EDIT 1: Three times in a row = 1 ping 88 deaths.  You can PM me for his name but I won't call him or any out in public.  This exploit needs to go!

In an effort to find a solution, if we could know the location of a person that exploits an 88 (via an personal ACL*), and only if they are in an 88, we could avoid them.

* ACL = Access Control List

Code-wise something like this (assuming an 88 weapon_type is say "1001"):
IF (upper(player_name) = "JSMITH") and (ActiveWeapon = 1001) THEN
    BaseColor="Purple"
END IF
Could loop through a personal ACL via an array etc..

That is, if an 88 exploiter is in a 88 make the base color purple...and thus I\we wont go there and enjoy their 88 one shot ping kills.

EDIT 2: Being solutions oriented, I came to the above after actually upping a plane (190f8) to try and take out his 88.  He popped me in one shot as I dropped within 1k.  What more can I do?  I dont want to quit.

Hey, I live with knowing there are many exploit-ish behaviors in any game.  If any of you have a real counter to this one PM me.  I'll stop posting and they can continue to exploit the 88 as they wish.

What plane do you "exploit"?

[Vinkman]

EDIT 2: Being solutions oriented, I came to the above after actually upping a plane (190f8) to try and take out his 88.  He popped me in one shot as I dropped within 1k.  What more can I do? ...

I suggest a modification to your attack method.  Do not dive straight at the gun. Flying straight at him means he can set the fuse distance for 1.5K and wait for you to fly to the perfect distance...And your'e not making him articulate the gun. The 88 traverses so slowly it can't keep up with fast moving targets within 3k, and quickly adjusting fuse distance over a wide is very hard to do accurately. Adopt an attack method that maximizes those weaknesses. I suggest...

1) Dive several hundred yards to the side of the gun, not straight at it. This forces the gunner to charge pitch and azimuth and fuse distance continuously.
2) Zoom past it. High yo-yo, align for a shot and attack. The 88 traverses so slowly it can't keep up with fast moving targets within 3k. and has ZERO chance of rotating 180 deg before you get you shot off.  In an F8 you should fast enough and tough enough to avoid getting killed by the auto ack for at least 1 yo-yo pass as described.

It's easy when you think about it. Good luck 

[save]

1 ping at less than 1k.  One ping and dead. 

Who would be happy about this other than the guy exploiting the 88. 

EDIT 1: Three times in a row = 1 ping 88 deaths.  You can PM me for his name but I won't call him or any out in public.  This exploit needs to go!

In an effort to find a solution, if we could know the location of a person that exploits an 88 (via an personal ACL*), and only if they are in an 88, we could avoid them.

* ACL = Access Control List

Code-wise something like this (assuming an 88 weapon_type is say "1001"):
IF (upper(player_name) = "JSMITH") and (ActiveWeapon = 1001) THEN
    BaseColor="Purple"
END IF
Could loop through a personal ACL via an array etc..

That is, if an 88 exploiter is in a 88 make the base color purple...and thus I\we wont go there and enjoy their 88 one shot ping kills.

EDIT 2: Being solutions oriented, I came to the above after actually upping a plane (190f8) to try and take out his 88.  He popped me in one shot as I dropped within 1k.  What more can I do?  I dont want to quit.

Hey, I live with knowing there are many exploit-ish behaviors in any game.  If any of you have a real counter to this one PM me.  I'll stop posting and they can continue to exploit the 88 as they wish.

FW190F8  can easily, after some training - take out an Ack/88mm at 11k altitude.
 

[bustr]

Wasytin uses a YakT and de-acks feilds starting at max 37mm range of 2400. Picks up a lot of kills at the same time with that short clip. He is still using the same gunsight I made for him eight years ago.

[JOACH1M]

There is a player who has gone to the trouble of creating a clear plastic overlay for his monitor to help him aim the 88 and it works like a semi-aimbot.

Spill the beans