ENY (one more time)

[atlau]

The whole ENY the sky is falling thing is overblown. I'd venture to say that 50%+ players think its a good idea for gameplay but are just less vocal/don't threaten to rage quit when things dont go their way.

Yes numbers are dwindling but i think it has nothing to do with ENY.

[Oldman731]

The whole ENY the sky is falling thing is overblown. I'd venture to say that 50%+ players think its a good idea for gameplay but are just less vocal/don't threaten to rage quit when things dont go their way.

Yes numbers are dwindling but i think it has nothing to do with ENY.

Agreed. 

As the saying goes, I don't have a dog in this hunt.  I mostly fly for the side with the low numbers (as of when I log on); I'm not even sure which planes get locked out because of ENY.  (Back when it was first implemented I was blissfully spending all of my AH time in the Combat Theater (now AvA), where ENY had no role.)  But I certainly do recall the hubbub on these boards, generated by the swarms of late-war planes steamrolling the maps.  I remember all the complaints about side-switching spies blowing the cover of missions because it was too easy to switch.  I remember the anger when squad sizes were limited. 

AH history repeatedly demonstrates that you can't please everyone.

- oldman

[Arlo]

Agreed. 

As the saying goes, I don't have a dog in this hunt.  I mostly fly for the side with the low numbers (as of when I log on); I'm not even sure which planes get locked out because of ENY.  (Back when it was first implemented I was blissfully spending all of my AH time in the Combat Theater (now AvA), where ENY had no role.)  But I certainly do recall the hubbub on these boards, generated by the swarms of late-war planes steamrolling the maps.  I remember all the complaints about side-switching spies blowing the cover of missions because it was too easy to switch.  I remember the anger when squad sizes were limited. 

AH history repeatedly demonstrates that you can't please everyone.

- oldman

Aye. 

[flippz]

The whole ENY the sky is falling thing is overblown. I'd venture to say that 50%+ players think its a good idea for gameplay but are just less vocal/don't threaten to rage quit when things dont go their way.

Yes numbers are dwindling but i think it has nothing to do with ENY.

this am I switched to rooks as it was like 20 bish 5 rooks and 9 knights.  as soon as I switched to rooks 2 logged due to both sides attacking rooks not an eny issue but the fact we could get tempys for near free seemed to entice no one.  many times on the bish side when the eny gets skewed there are quite a few that log because of not being able to get a decent ride to fight high eny planes. 

maybe the eny is not whats making folks "quit" the game, but its the theory if I have to log off so much why play? 

[Oldman731]

this am I switched to rooks as it was like 20 bish 5 rooks and 9 knights.  as soon as I switched to rooks 2 logged due to both sides attacking rooks not an eny issue but the fact we could get tempys for near free seemed to entice no one.  many times on the bish side when the eny gets skewed there are quite a few that log because of not being able to get a decent ride to fight high eny planes. 

maybe the eny is not whats making folks "quit" the game, but its the theory if I have to log off so much why play?

Now here I think we agree.  People hate getting ganged.  I hate getting ganged.  And I'm used to it! 

Objectively, it probably doesn't matter if you're being ganged by P-40s while you're in an La7, or whether you're being ganged by La7s while you're in an La7.  But the latter situation is more irritating.

As a side note, this was one of the problems in the AvA (back in the day).  If the Allies had Spitfires enabled, people gravitated to the Allied side, things became significantly imbalanced, and the German players started to disappear.  The staff was criticized for omitting Spits from weekly setups, but this was why it was done.

At any rate:  Side imbalance is a much greater problem than ENY or spying or whatever.  Much of what HTC has done over the years appears to have been directed to this issue.

- oldman

[atlau]

Oldman, actually fighting a horde of p40s with a la7 sounds pretty fun.

[800nate800]

if there is Less then 50 people in a area, do away with eny. i like eny it gives a challenge. i love killing yaks, 51s and other low eny planes in F4F's and Ki43s 

[Lusche]

if there is Less then 50 people in a area, do away with eny.

I have played in an arena with low total numbers, highly lopsided sides and ineffectual ENY before. For the average player on the outnumbered side, it totally sucked.
So much that for the most part they just went away, leaving the other side virtually alone to happily roll based unopposed.

[caldera]

Now here I think we agree.  People hate getting ganged.  I hate getting ganged.  And I'm used to it! 

Objectively, it probably doesn't matter if you're being ganged by P-40s while you're in an La7, or whether you're being ganged by La7s while you're in an La7.  But the latter situation is more irritating.

As a side note, this was one of the problems in the AvA (back in the day).  If the Allies had Spitfires enabled, people gravitated to the Allied side, things became significantly imbalanced, and the German players started to disappear.  The staff was criticized for omitting Spits from weekly setups, but this was why it was done.

At any rate:  Side imbalance is a much greater problem than ENY or spying or whatever.  Much of what HTC has done over the years appears to have been directed to this issue.

- oldman

Ganged by P-40s?   That actually happened?

[Oldman731]

Ganged by P-40s?   That actually happened?

Heh.  Happened to me, some years ago, in the AvA.  Don't know how common it is now; would take an ambitious squad to pull it off, I imagine.

- oldman