Stop Giving Auto Ack Proxies

[flippz]

Too often there are a bunch of vulchers over a base whining that people should up planes instead of sitting in guns and Wirbles. What they want is free kill, they do not want a fight and they surely dont want to give the guy who up a plane a fair chance to fight. Everyone knows that and thus people choose not to up.

Many times the guys crying about vulchers or pickers that are ack huggers.

So I up a plane which is usually a sector away and fly to your field and find the same guys hovering at 10k over there base. Why shouldn’t you do that?  I can tell you why. You might have to fight in an open field with out ack to run to. If it takes me 8 min to fly to your field that is ample time for guys to up from a back base to defend.   
Again to many tools for guys to avoid combat.
Unrelated but I think it is also crazy that one guy can stop 5-8 from taking a field with a .45.

[Vinkman]

Actually I do it more often or not without getting killed.  The secret?  The Yak9T alt, speed and patience.  A small field can be de-acked in a short time.  If there are tons of uppers it requires a wingman or two to keep your tail clear, if your by yourself it is not happening.  The T's gun lets you pop guns from real high alt, then zoom back up without exposing yourself to the ack for too long or the bottom feeders.

This. I use the P-39. Easy to de-ack a field without getting pinged.  But only when down times are longer then the flight there and back. 

[Vinkman]

I think everyone agrees that ack hugging is frustrating when the hugger is the only plane around to fight. But changing rules won't make people dog fight who don't want to.

We all feel your pain but HTC code changes won't change that. You need to maintain patience, have another beer, listen to some nice music while you fly around in the beautiful virtual sky and wait until some sucker gets close enough that you can kill him before he escapes. 

Or there's always the match play Arena. hang send some messages, someone will show up.  I do love that arena when populated. 

[TWCAxew]

Or there's always the match play Arena. hang send some messages, someone will show up.  I do love that arena when populated. 

Rumors have it that it's quite popular on the EU timezone now! It also helps my boy JoBravo is always lurking around there 

DutchVII

[JoBravo20]

I try to Invite people into Matchplay arena for instant action as often as I can :/

Seldomly I get an accept

[Puma44]

Then I suppose it makes better sense to get in a Wirbel.

It's the people capping the field who don't want a fight, not the people trying to fly from it.

- oldman

Spot on Oldman!

[Mister Fork]

Spot on Oldman!

Agreed.

[bustr]

POTW has the attitude about the MA that it's a caged slaughter match. Kill the red guys any way you can with anything that goes piu, piu, piu or kaboom. Everything is it's own challenge to towering a red guy so you have to be a multi talented killer. If you aren't, you will be in here telling Hitech his game is no fun becasue no one wants to play it your way.

[Oldman731]

POTW has the attitude about the MA that it's a caged slaughter match. Kill the red guys any way you can with anything that goes piu, piu, piu or kaboom. Everything is it's own challenge to towering a red guy so you have to be a multi talented killer. If you aren't, you will be in here telling Hitech his game is no fun becasue no one wants to play it your way.

Hard to know where to begin with this.

So I won't.

I agree with your description of POTW's attitude.  Saw it most recently last night.

- oldman

[Vraciu]

Once again you all miss the point. 

People who CAP a field have to EARN their kills.    People who hug AA have kills handed to them.   If the flak protects you that's all the reward you deserve.  Upping from a field vsat has CAP or whatnot is beside the point. 

[icepac]

Well dude, you will always be subject to enemy ack if you hover over their field looking to whack a mole them as they climb out.

How about you hover over a field that is being horded?

Plenty of enemy and you know they are interested in taking the field so they won't usually be running home to their ack.

[Vraciu]

Well dude, you will always be subject to enemy ack if you hover over their field looking to whack a mole them as they climb out.

How about you hover over a field that is being horded?

Plenty of enemy and you know they are interested in taking the field so they won't usually be running home to their ack.

Why do you ALWAYS make false assumptions as to what I am saying?   READ THE THREAD.   Did I say I was hovering over ack?  NO.  I said people who RUN to ack or mill around in it looking for ack proxies should not be rewarded for doing it.  If they want to flee to their ack at the first sign of trouble then they should not be rewarded with a kill should the auto ack do their dirty work for them.   Let them waste their time if they want or come out and fight.    Don't reward them for avoiding combat.   They get their reward by having ack defend their precious cartoon hide.


It's a simple concept.   You reward dweebery, running, cowardice, etc. and you'll get more of it.   Giving away ack proxies gives an incentive BEYOND SURVIVAL to ack hugging.  That's not a good thing IMO.

You guys want your cake *AND* to eat it, too.   Keep it up and soon you will have only two sets of players (and they'll never interact): Ack Huggers looking for proxies, and hiders in WIRBs and M3s.   As flippz noted elsewhere all the fighters have left or are leaving and that's really unfortunate.

[Hungry]

it used to be a valid tactic to drag some poor sucker to your ack/man guns.  It was the poor suckers fault pure dweebery to allow that to happen.  Now you want to make it a crime to use this tactic.  Those were a small part but fun kills none the less

oh well times change

[ONTOS]

I change my mind from -1 to...……………… I don't know, I'm so confused.

[Vraciu]

it used to be a valid tactic to drag some poor sucker to your ack/man guns.  It was the poor suckers fault pure dweebery to allow that to happen.  Now you want to make it a crime to use this tactic.  Those were a small part but fun kills none the less

oh well times change

When people did other things this may not have been all that much of an issue.   I've always thought it was dumb to get a kill for the work the ack did but it wasn't that big a deal because at least you could find plenty of targets somewhere else.

I just saw a couple of people quit today over this issue when the numbers were already low.   Ack huggers are rewarded for doing it.  I don't see how that's a good thing.

Any way, it's up to Hitech to decide.   I just raised the issue for him to consider.