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[pembquist]

Good points TC.   

If you want to be an FSO walk-on it's a good idea to post in the FSO forum prior to the event.

Doesn't this kind of defeat the point of "walk on"?

I realize that all of the special events run on volunteers and everybody is a critic so please don't take offense with what I am going to say. At this time the Halcyon days of hundreds and hundreds of players are past. Special events have become a little obscure and maybe it would help to be able to have some way of bringing in the uninformed and unprepared who are online at the start of FSO or a similar type event,(remember the "snapshot" events?) in order to get more participation in/exposure to what is routinely called "the best part of AH." I don't mean that you should fix what is already working but rather that maybe the "marketing" of special events and what is contemplated to offer might benefit from a rethink.

Right now when I log on a see a lot of arenas that don't really spark interest. Maybe if you chopped anything that isn't active out so your choices were distilled and you had an arena that was called "Thursday Fight Night 9pm" and had something like the old snapshot with a smidge of AI to fill in the ranks as necessary, and then a frequent MA reminder that at that time that day there would be a mission with goals and risk available, if you made it a regular thing maybe you would get more participation and exposure to that side of AH. Not every player likes FSO and Scenario, many find them boring, however their structure and risk are reasonably potent for a fair number of people.

[Shuffler]

I was Corkyjr's XO and a 38 driver in DGS. Nothing compares since. Simply amazing.

[FLS]

Doesn't this kind of defeat the point of "walk on"?

No, it just accommodates the difference between certain events.

[pembquist]

No, it just accommodates the difference between certain events.

There is some kind of miscommunication here. I am using walk on in the sense that you can show up without prearrangement and join in the event. Is this or is this not the case with FSO. I am under the impression that it is not.

[Vraciu]

There is some kind of miscommunication here. I am using walk on in the sense that you can show up without prearrangement and join in the event. Is this or is this not the case with FSO. I am under the impression that it is not.

It was the case when I signed up for it.   Very accommodating crowd. 

[AKKuya]

For the Friday night Squad Operations ( FSO),  walk-on's need to be invited to fly with a FSO squadron or picked up by one before the scheduled FSO frame starts....fso events are "FSO squadron" based events! Has nothing to do with MA squads, and if you are new to FSO, you will be helped in finding a FSO squad to participate with....

For Scenarios, walk-ons are welcomed and will be placed in any available open slot, depending on where the CM hosting the Scenario needs you...so walk-ons most times don't get to choose what plane type or what side they want to participate on.... This is why it is always best to register for the scenario, if a player is interested in participating in it, so you can lock in your spot for the plane & side you want to play on.....Scenario events are opened for everyone

Edit: KOTH events are open to everyone, all players are welcome to come participate.... (except for the KOTH TOC -  "King of the Hill Tournament of Champions" event, held once a year for those who have earned an invite by qualifying by winning a monthly KOTH event or earning a "Wabbit status" in any of the past year's monthly KOTH events)

Combat Challenge event - squadron based dogfighting event...

iirc, all other events are opened to anyone and don't require being in a squad....

Hope this helps

TC

Have you been flying FSO lately?  There are players who show up with no squad.  CM setups and bouncers are not turning them away.  We are typing "X pilots out of uniform".  If they are walkons, then the squad COs are inviting them into their squads. 

FSO is for registered squads and not registered players like Scenarios. 

From the FSO Rules at ahevents.org:
No walkons will be allowed on the day of the event. Any individual pilots wishing to participate must pre-register with squadrons or contact the squadrons ahead of time, not in the minutes before the frame, or in the SEA before the start of the frame.

This was when we had 400 plus pilots and it made things go smoother.  Now, we are much smaller in number of participants.  Let's say that the Rule isn't strongly enforced.  There is a little wiggle room for last minute arrangements. 

Just any player not in uniform after Fields Open will be grounded until under a squad's colors before Fields Closed.


I hear what you're saying.  The CMs can discuss some rewording of the Rules.  Can you start a thread in FSO forum on this topic and see where the FSO community stand?

[FLS]

There is some kind of miscommunication here. I am using walk on in the sense that you can show up without prearrangement and join in the event. Is this or is this not the case with FSO. I am under the impression that it is not.

You're using a narrower definition of walk-on than I am. In FSO a walk-on is a person who is not a regular squad member.

[Molsman]

When I was a CM for FSO Walk one where really not Allowed. There was usually a pre arrangement made before the take off time if A CO wanted to take them on for that event . Maybe times have change and FSO is allowing walks ons now but it used to never be like that before

[pembquist]

You're using a narrower definition of walk-on than I am. In FSO a walk-on is a person who is not a regular squad member.

OK, so lets clarify this. A player who shows up in the FSO arena with no prior contact will a place be found for them or will they be turned away? AKKuya seems to be describing a situation where they will not be turned away. If true, despite the inconvenience, this is good. A player new to the whole concept would get to sample it and a player like me who doesn't know till the last hour whether or not they can participate will show up if they can. If this is not the case, no problem, but it really needs to be clarified I think.

[guncrasher]

have been with some many years, never seen a guy turned away.

if enough time given, somebody always picked them up. 


semp

[Vraciu]

have been with some many years, never seen a guy turned away.

if enough time given, somebody always picked them up. 


semp

+1

[waystin2]

have been with some many years, never seen a guy turned away.

if enough time given, somebody always picked them up. 


semp

I am one of the 14 or so remaining FSO CO's and this is accurate. 

[FLS]

OK, so lets clarify this. A player who shows up in the FSO arena with no prior contact will a place be found for them or will they be turned away? AKKuya seems to be describing a situation where they will not be turned away. If true, despite the inconvenience, this is good. A player new to the whole concept would get to sample it and a player like me who doesn't know till the last hour whether or not they can participate will show up if they can. If this is not the case, no problem, but it really needs to be clarified I think.

AFAIK a person who makes prior arrangements to fly the event but is not a regular squad member is still a walk-on. If there is another term for that situation I haven't heard it.

FSO has an administrative rule that is not currently enforced. My statement that "Walk-ins are welcome to the FSO events as well as scenarios." is currently accurate. My statement that "If you want to be an FSO walk-on it's a good idea to post in the FSO forum prior to the event." is also accurate.

I hope that clears things up.

[Spikes]

OK, so lets clarify this. A player who shows up in the FSO arena with no prior contact will a place be found for them or will they be turned away? AKKuya seems to be describing a situation where they will not be turned away. If true, despite the inconvenience, this is good. A player new to the whole concept would get to sample it and a player like me who doesn't know till the last hour whether or not they can participate will show up if they can. If this is not the case, no problem, but it really needs to be clarified I think.

By definition Walk-ons are not allowed in FSO. FSO and Scenario are pretty organized and many expect other pilots to know what is going on. Squads and pilots are held to a pretty high standard in this regard.

In days of old if you showed up on game-night in FSO you could not ask in Country/All/200 to find a squad, it had to be pre-arranged. This is still the case but we are much more lenient on it. Squads are free to take pilots in but that squad is responsible for their behavior and getting them suited up and in the correct aircraft. If you are not in uniform by launch time, you are grounded for the event.

Scenarios also require pilots to be in squads for log purposes, however it is somewhat less of an issue as flight is always open for the entire frame and people come and go. Hence why walk-ons are allowed.

FLS is right - best practice is to get it pre-arranged as early as possible. This is good for both the squad and pilot as it is less hectic close to launch time.

I may think about re-wording the rule on the FSO Rules page to better clarify for the times.

[Ciaphas]

Both definitions are correct they just vary in scope.

though one is more accurate than the other by definition but is still very subjective to the situation.