Boeing 737 Max

[Toad]

Typical.

There's always somebody that thinks just one more gauge can take the place of a competent, well-trained pilot.

[Puma44]

The core truth.

[guncrasher]

Typical.

There's always somebody that thinks just one more gauge can take the place of a competent, well-trained pilot.

well that one more gauge was just made standard.


semp

[Puma44]

well that one more gauge was just made standard.


semp

To accommodate the lowest common denominator.

[Shuffler]

To accommodate the lowest common denominator.

Until the next one goes for the record.....

[guncrasher]

To accommodate the lowest common denominator.

isn't that true for everything new in a plane?


semp

[Puma44]

isn't that true for everything new in a plane?


semp

Not necessarily.

[Shuffler]

isn't that true for everything new in a plane?


semp

Most are tools for a good pilot.

[Toad]

well that one more gauge was just made standard.
semp

Yes, it was. And more than likely yet another poorly trained crew will eventually crash a 737MAX. Add all the gauges you can possibly imagine; that still won't provide protection for a poorly trained, incompetent crew.

BTW... on that comment you made about not being there. Have you EVER been there? Do you hold a PIC Type Rating in ANY aircraft?

[guncrasher]

Yes, it was. And more than likely yet another poorly trained crew will eventually crash a 737MAX. Add all the gauges you can possibly imagine; that still won't provide protection for a poorly trained, incompetent crew.

BTW... on that comment you made about not being there. Have you EVER been there? Do you hold a PIC Type Rating in ANY aircraft?

nope,  but i did stay at a holiday Inn once.  however i have driven for 38 years and have never cause an accident and only 1 ticket for crossing the double yellow lines.

that makes me an expert lol. i remember reading about a cop driving a car with the accelerator stuck.  i bet that cop had more training than i did in driving a car and yet he crashed the car and killed himself and 3 other people.  easy for me to say i would have put the car in neutral.  which is what i had done before. but i don't know what was going thru his mind and why not do the safest thing.

that's what you guys with superb training do.  you can sit and blame the pilots totally when there's 2 other that i believe equally guilty.

that's what i think anyway.

semp

[Toad]

Pretty much what I figured.

You and those Lion Air/Ethiopian guys at the Holiday Inn.

[guncrasher]

Pretty much what I figured.

You and those Lion Air/Ethiopian guys at the Holiday Inn.

get off your high horse.  from my point of view a 1200 gadget could have prevented, in addition to pilots being told no simulating training needed and to qualify and ipad was sufficient.

pilots were so under trained that they had thousands of hours with no accidents. but of course they were lucky.


semp

[Oldman731]

Competent, well trained pilots, that’s what could have saved both airplanes.

Undoubtedly true.  But Langewiesche's son wrote an article, maybe a year ago, that vividly pointed out that most of the rest of the world does not now, and perhaps never will, have competent, well-trained pilots.  According to him, Airbus figured this out first, and started designing planes that could be flown by...well...by people like me, while Boeing built good planes for good pilots. 

Could be that useless pilots are going to be a fact of life for much of the world, and airliners have to be designed to deal with that.

- oldman

[Puma44]

Undoubtedly true.  But Langewiesche's son wrote an article, maybe a year ago, that vividly pointed out that most of the rest of the world does not now, and perhaps never will, have competent, well-trained pilots.  According to him, Airbus figured this out first, and started designing planes that could be flown by...well...by people like me, while Boeing built good planes for good pilots. 

Could be that useless pilots are going to be a fact of life for much of the world, and airliners have to be designed to deal with that.

- oldman

And that’s just plain scary.

[Shuffler]

Yup