737 Crash

[Busher]

Earlier today, China Eastern Airlines suffered the total loss of a Boeing 737-800. News reports are sketchy but it's reported that the airline has decided to ground it's entire fleet of over 100 B737-800's. Apparently the airline operates only 3 B737-Max.
Here's hoping the Chinese authorities honor the NTSB's request to be participants in the investigation.

[Shuffler]

At almost 30,000 feet the aircraft went into a dive. Took just over two minutes to hit the ground. No survivors.


Claims to be video of the crash...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10634901/Boeing-737-passenger-jet-carrying-133-crashes-rural-China.html#v-147858520743130903

Flightaware... https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CES5735

[Eagler]

Wonder who was on it...

Eagler

[DmonSlyr]

My guess is a wing broke off. The thing fell like a rock.

[perdue3]

Sounds like another MCAS, but I doubt that was equipped with it.

[DmonSlyr]

I don't really understand the final part where it regained alt and then dived back in. Maybe only half the wing came off? From the film, the part he filmed would be right after it regained alt. Also interesting is the camera guy was able to know right where it was in rural China to catch the last second of it. I'm surprised too it was able to leak to the press. It was a very short video, curious how long he was recording. Looked like the last wing broke off there. 

If all is as it appears, truely devastating.

[Busher]

Sounds like another MCAS, but I doubt that was equipped with it.

It's not. It's a 737-800; not a MAX.

[Busher]

I don't really understand the final part where it regained alt and then dived back in. Maybe only half the wing came off? From the film, the part he filmed would be right after it regained alt. Also interesting is the camera guy was able to know right where it was in rural China to catch the last second of it. I'm surprised too it was able to leak to the press. It was a very short video, curious how long he was recording. Looked like the last wing broke off there. 

If all is as it appears, truely devastating.

Why speculate? As I said, let's hope that the NTSB is invited to offer it's expertise in the investigation so that something positive arises from this tragedy.

[Vulcan]

Also interesting is the camera guy was able to know right where it was in rural China to catch the last second of it. I'm surprised too it was able to leak to the press. It was a very short video, curious how long he was recording. Looked like the last wing broke off there.

Ya know that CCTV means there is no 'camera guy'.

The state of education and reading comprehension in Amerika is honestly appalling.

[Chalenge]

Ya know that CCTV means there is no 'camera guy'.

The state of education and reading comprehension in Amerika is honestly appalling.

We educate people to work in factories, and yet we sold all of our factories. Go figure.

[Chalenge]

I'm not a professional inspector by any means, but I used to detail interior refits for everything from Lears to commercial jets. What I discovered fit with every other industry I have worked in. It doesn't matter if the business cooks chicken, fries burgers, or builds jets they all have the same issues. The head office incentivizes fast work, rapid pacing, and shortcuts, to the point that supervisors place great demands upon the crews. They say they have time to do the job correctly, but they don't. Time-based management has been a ticking time bomb since the 1980's. Just look up books from the period (like "The Five-Minute Manager") and you see how the effect that the thinking of the time could avalanche into the problems of today. Ford and Chevy can't even build vehicles worth a plugged nickel anymore. Even Lockheed produced an entire year's worth of C5's that won't fly (although, in all fairness the capabilities did change when the M-1 grew to a 100-ton package). Cool airplane though!

EDIT: added YT link.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1zm_BEYFiU&ab_channel=MaximusAviation

[Spikes]

I'm not a professional inspector by any means, but I used to detail interior refits for everything from Lears to commercial jets. What I discovered fit with every other industry I have worked in. It doesn't matter if the business cooks chicken, fries burgers, or builds jets they all have the same issues. The head office incentivizes fast work, rapid pacing, and shortcuts, to the point that supervisors place great demands upon the crews. They say they have time to do the job correctly, but they don't. Time-based management has been a ticking time bomb since the 1980's.

If you haven't seen the Netflix docu "Downfall: The Case Against Boeing", I highly recommend it. Basically exactly what you described.

[DmonSlyr]

Ya know that CCTV means there is no 'camera guy'.

The state of education and reading comprehension in Amerika is honestly appalling.

The video I was watching of it did not say CCTV. Who do you think controls the schooling system in America, Doochebag? The same clowns that put masks on kids for 8 hours a day at school while they sit at their desks. It's the same education your country is getting because it's controlled by pretty much the same people. Of course its a total sham. All they care about is kids going to college to learn about theory. The same idiots who run the school system are the same idiots running the country into the ground. Least I become a high paid Controller though because I'm actually smart and jobs aren't really that dependent on public schooling. They don't even teach Accounting in public school. I had to learn it myself.

[MiloMorai]

"They don't even teach Accounting in public school. I had to learn it myself."

They don't teach math in schools anymore?

[Spikes]

Accounting and math are not one in the same.