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Offline hazmatt

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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #45 on: May 23, 2024, 01:08:09 PM »
Well, as a mission ready F-106 pilot in the day, and qualified via the Nuclear Surety Program, I’ll take exception to your statement.  There were endless, stringent fail safes, involved before even taking off with the Genie.  It was carried internally.  Therefore, it couldn’t “fall off” the aircraft.  We were dead serious about carrying and employing the “Great White Hope” against Russian bomber formations coming over the polar cap to bomb our cities and bases (with our families there).  We were the last line of defense.

If I remember correctly, the North Carolina incident involved a B-52 and tanker midair, in flight breakup, and the B-52’s internally carried nuke(s) falling out of the wreckage.  I’m sure someone will quickly chime in the the particulars here. 

Point being, you’re comparing apples to lug nuts with a dose of imagination thrown in.

No. I'm stating my opinion. It's like nuclear power. I love nuclear power, as long as the reactor is a few hundred miles away from me. If you wanted to build one in my back yard, I wouldn't care how many fail safes there were, I wouldn't want it in my back yard. My opinion about flying around with a plane carrying a nuclear rocket is the same. Like I said it is my opinion. You have yours, I have mine :)

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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #46 on: May 23, 2024, 02:17:44 PM »
No ginormous blast or mushroom cloud in DCS but the damage radius is yuge. You have to get a radar lock before firing it.

The Genie required a radar lock because it was an aimed weapon, not guided.  Akin to a giant bottle rocket with a nuke.



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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #47 on: May 23, 2024, 09:12:29 PM »
Well, as a mission ready F-106 pilot in the day, and qualified via the Nuclear Surety Program...

Oh lawdy, haven't heard "Nuke Surety Program" in a long, long time.  That with PRP, oh, and SAC, was the bane of my existence for over a decade.  Oh how I hated that stuff.  Ya I know, gotta have it, etc... but man.  As a junior peon enlisted guy, the suckage brought on by that stuff was unreal.
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #48 on: May 23, 2024, 09:56:43 PM »
Oh lawdy, haven't heard "Nuke Surety Program" in a long, long time.  That with PRP, oh, and SAC, was the bane of my existence for over a decade.  Oh how I hated that stuff.  Ya I know, gotta have it, etc... but man.  As a junior peon enlisted guy, the suckage brought on by that stuff was unreal.

 :rofl We were a “tenant unit” on a SAC base.  They pretty much hated us with gusto, especially when blowing by their Buff & Tanker alert pads in full AB……setting off their proximity alarms, which had all the COPS piling out of their shelters. :bolt:

Had SAC missle guy next door.  Really felt bad for him.  They abused him like a rented mule.



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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2024, 06:37:43 AM »
Thanks for the tips Puma, Much appreciated sir! <S>

We have a young man in our group who is active duty Air Force who got the re-fuel attempt his first try.

Tumor got it his first try at well but has to have the attitude hold set up i believe he was sayin.


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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #50 on: May 24, 2024, 09:21:40 AM »
We have a young man in our group who is active duty Air Force who got the re-fuel attempt his first try.

Tumor got it his first try at well but has to have the attitude hold set up i believe he was sayin.


https://youtu.be/1nvoSfZaZsw

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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #51 on: May 24, 2024, 01:05:18 PM »
:rofl We were a “tenant unit” on a SAC base.  They pretty much hated us with gusto, especially when blowing by their Buff & Tanker alert pads in full AB……setting off their proximity alarms, which had all the COPS piling out of their shelters. :bolt:

Had SAC missle guy next door.  Really felt bad for him.  They abused him like a rented mule.

Ya.  That's SAC, nobody was safe... you got abused.   That's why Lemay's approach was so devastating to our enemies, he was jealous he wasn't the meanest bastard on the block.
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #52 on: May 24, 2024, 01:08:39 PM »
We have a young man in our group who is active duty Air Force who got the re-fuel attempt his first try.

Tumor got it his first try at well but has to have the attitude hold set up i believe he was sayin.


https://youtu.be/1nvoSfZaZsw

First try in the F4... 2nd try in the whole freekin game. But I only connected for a couple seconds. The Virple stick made it much smoother though.
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #53 on: May 24, 2024, 01:49:31 PM »
Great job. Easier to connect with the boom than the basket but harder to stay connected with the boom, imo. It's still very hard to do for both. Even harder for the non fly-by-wire.

For the guy who can air refuel inverted, try that in an F-16.   ;)
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #54 on: May 24, 2024, 02:58:16 PM »
I was able to connect but not stay connected long. Seat adjustment didn't help me see the positioning lights near the nose of the tanker. Don't really need them with Jesters help I think. BTW there's no collision detection between the boom/basket and the aircraft but between the airplanes themselves a slight bump is usually calamitous.

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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #55 on: May 24, 2024, 03:52:48 PM »
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #56 on: May 24, 2024, 05:29:07 PM »
I enlisted in August of '73. The handwriting was on the wall. Our part in that war was coming to an end. Violations of 35-10 standards had been mostly ignored in Southeast Asia. As the troops came home grooming standards became more rigidly enforced. Drug sniffing dogs more frequently patrolled the halls of the dorms with Skynyrd booming behind every other door. All of that faded. That the killing and dying came to an end was good. Shortening mustaches, not so much.
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2024, 10:15:58 AM »
Translating the F4 manual to real time setup and usage can be a quest sometimes.

I finally got it done though and I am able to track/lock targets from the WSO seat now. Just as long as the dude up front has the right armament selected.
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2024, 10:24:23 AM »
Translating the F4 manual to real time setup and usage can be a quest sometimes.

I finally got it done though and I am able to track/lock targets from the WSO seat now. Just as long as the dude up front has the right armament selected.

Is the manual setup like a NATOPS manual or is it like a manual to a complex game?

From one of the videos I watched it sounds like Jester needs to ST*U. Sounds like he's constantly blabbing.

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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2024, 11:12:23 AM »
From the Jester menu you can adjust his verbosity.
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