Proximity Dar

[LilMak]

Can we get rid of proximity radar? I understand it was implemented to encourage fights but darbar was always sufficient before it was introduced. It’s having severe negative effects on gameplay in my opinion.

The other night I was on the fringe of a friendly radar ring when I was basically the only member of my team in the sky. On the complete opposite side was a group of 5-6 enemies basically capping at high altitude. I encountered single con on my side of the ring and almost immediately, when I got in icon range, every single plane turned straight for me.

I understand there are coms and text but those still have a bit of fog associated with them. I was far enough away that I doubt this guy was in range of the local radio. Even though I dispatched the player in question quickly (pretty sure he was AFK), I was covered up in short order. They not only had my exact location, they also knew my direction of travel the whole time because the player I killed flopped down from 12k still “alive” but missing a wing. 

Proximity dar is ruining aspects of the game like the need for situational awareness. Players don’t even need to look out of the cockpit to see if an enemy is in range.

[DmonSlyr]

Can we get rid of proximity radar? I understand it was implemented to encourage fights but darbar was always sufficient before it was introduced. It’s having severe negative effects on gameplay in my opinion.

The other night I was on the fringe of a friendly radar ring when I was basically the only member of my team in the sky. On the complete opposite side was a group of 5-6 enemies basically capping at high altitude. I encountered single con on my side of the ring and almost immediately, when I got in icon range, every single plane turned straight for me.

I understand there are coms and text but those still have a bit of fog associated with them. I was far enough away that I doubt this guy was in range of the local radio. Even though I dispatched the player in question quickly (pretty sure he was AFK), I was covered up in short order. They not only had my exact location, they also knew my direction of travel the whole time because the player I killed flopped down from 12k still “alive” but missing a wing. 

Proximity dar is ruining aspects of the game like the need for situational awareness. Players don’t even need to look out of the cockpit to see if an enemy is in range.

+1

Should not show up on proximity dar outside of radar rings. I agree that is takes a bit of strategy away along with the conga line coming to dogpile you. You also got a kill, so that told all of them who you were aswell, and so they could adjust their style accordingly. I dislike both.

[xanax]

I agree. flying with your kneeboard in view, zoomed in, pretty much full time, takes away from the fun a bit. I liked the butterflies you'd get not knowing were the cons were. I also liked knowing they might not see me coming either. Head on a swivel, baby!

[Lazerr]

I have to agree with this, even though I agreed with proxy dar previously.

Doesn't just provoke a dog pile, it shows you where to do it.

[Skyyr]

I agree with the change out of the fact it will stop dogpiling; but, it will reduce fights for the average pilot in the MA and probably harm what little action exists even further.

Put another way, the most experienced pilots won't have an issue, but the vast majority will have a huge problem with this change. That will include new players.

[LilMak]

I’d tend to agree with you on the new player thought. But we don’t really have any of those…Or not nearly enough to justify prox dar. Also, making it even easier for vets to prey on new kids is not what we want. Which is grossly simplified by proximity radar. Ease of radar interpretation is not what’s going to scare a new player away. It’s more likely getting waxed over and over.

[Eagler]

Multiple accounts permit the same gamey behavior when combined with unlimited shade logins

But if the additional $$$ keeps the lights on a bit longer I have no problem with this current behavior of some

Eagler

[Lazerr]

I agree with the change out of the fact it will stop dogpiling; but, it will reduce fights for the average pilot in the MA and probably harm what little action exists even further.

Put another way, the most experienced pilots won't have an issue, but the vast majority will have a huge problem with this change. That will include new players.

This was my thought when I supported it.. to help the map look more active and help new guys find the fight.

Maybe a bigger delay on these proxy dars would be a middle of the road?

[Oldman731]

I agree with the change out of the fact it will stop dogpiling; but, it will reduce fights for the average pilot in the MA and probably harm what little action exists even further.

Put another way, the most experienced pilots won't have an issue, but the vast majority will have a huge problem with this change. That will include new players.

Agreed.

- oldman

[LilMak]

This was my thought when I supported it.. to help the map look more active and help new guys find the fight.

Maybe a bigger delay on these proxy dars would be a middle of the road?

There definitely needs to be an adjustment. I’d like to see it go back to what it was until a better solution can come along. There’s a bunch of negative unintended consequences that came with prox dar. Much more than it was designed to fix.

[TryHard]

I wouldn't mind it as much if it wasn't an AWACS flying around with you I feel the update rate should be slowed down a lot lets say to over a minute.

While radar in WW2 could distinguish roughly speaking a bomber from a fighter I also feel like there should be some fuzzy logic there as well. Lets say you have a tight formation of 5 fighters that should show up on radar as the cross section of maybe a formation of bombers.

While getting completely rid of it would probably hurt gameplay by making the fights harder to find I think a healthy compromise will stop it from being used as a bandaid to fix poor situational awareness. I have been flying with mouse and keyboard since before this AWACS radar tom foolery and I never have had an issue before it keeping track of enemy cons. Those flying with track ir or VR have a significant SA advantage already compared to us hat switch and number pad mashing poor folks, don't reckon they need instant radar updates to boot. 

[Eagler]

Skyyr is correct ... putting dar back would result in less players not more

Eagler

[DmonSlyr]

As I stated. Proximity dar should not work outside of radar range.

Also. The original dar, imo, didn't need any adjustment other than making the radar towers harder to kill. Like 5k pounds instead of 250 pounds. This would have made it much harder to  make the dots dissappear inside the radar ring and avoid it being the first thing players destroy when they jabo.

[thndregg]

I prefer the old-fashioned situational awareness we used to rely on. There were enough hints on the map back in the day to keep my eyes open around my own bombers. In multiple flights, multiple eyes were on the lookout, and tactical comms info added to the immersion. I'd like that back instead of the prox-radar "crutch".


EGG

[LilMak]

Ran into the same thing over the weekend. An entire fight was divided between two dar rings. Both sides hovering along an imaginary line. If it wasn’t for a few aggressive players, no fight would’ve occurred. Both teams were hovering and waiting for picks. You could’ve drawn a line between the two groups.