FWIW

[Animl-AW]

I don’t look at “evidence”, its not vetted or corroborated.  Most just spark imagination to run unleashed.

Remember, when War of the Worlds was aired on radio many people jumped out windows to commit suicide, because they believed it was true. It was simply a play.

I see what I see with my own eyes.

Propaganda is designed to take your eye off the bouncing ball. It’s usually projection. Pat attention to whats before your eyes. Beware of anyone in convincing mode, they have agenda.

I can’t dictate how others waste time on earth, not my place, but I can feel sorry for what they do to their spirit. In the end, all the controversy will mean nothing.

Relax, breathe

[AKIron]

I don’t look at “evidence”, its not vetted or corroborated.  Most just spark imagination to run unleashed.

Remember, when War of the Worlds was aired on radio many people jumped out windows to commit suicide, because they believed it was true. It was simply a play.

You know that's not true right? "Many" people did not commit suicide. Maybe a little more "vetting" is in order.

[Animl-AW]

You know that's not true right? "Many" people did not commit suicide. Maybe a little more "vetting" is in order.

Actually you’re right. I remembered the myth. See how that works? Sensationalism last much longer than truth.

My mistake made my own point.

[AKIron]

Actually you’re right. I remembered the myth. See how that works? Sensationalism last much longer than truth.

My mistake made my own point.

Recognizing we are fallible is a facet of wisdom. Only the stupid think they are never wrong.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

I regret my comment, Savge, I try to avoid politics here, and you're my friend.  I just hated Nixxon and his crowd so much that I react when the topic comes up.  Sorry!  I don't want to know what Watergate really was.

- oldman

I'm not offended. It didn't affect our friendship. I have not allowed myself to be trained to hate people just because I disagree with them.

The thing is, the media told you to hate Nixon. The media is telling you to hate Trump.

I'm not in love with either one. But I have looked carefully at the results of the policies and votes of the occupants of the white house and the capital, without media influenced jaundice. Regardless of whether or not I like the person, and regardless of whether or not the media likes them, I pay attention to what they did.

And I don't like ALL of what ANYONE did, or voted for. Not Eisenhower, not Kennedy, not Nixon, not Reagan, not Bush 1 or 2, not Trump, either. There's a ton of what they did I don't like, and I don't hesitate to say so.

Nixon was wrong on the EPA, wrong on the DEA, wrong on price controls, and that's the short list.

You SHOULD know what Watergate REALLY was. Everyone should see all of it for what it is. That, and the crap Cronkite spewed about the Tet Offensive were what put the nail in the coffin on the media for me. That's when I learned the media had their own agenda, just like the government. And it ain't the truth, your best interest, my best interest, or the best interest of the Republic.

See, I want to know the truth, whether it makes me laugh, makes me cry, hurts my feelings, pisses me off, or makes me happy. Whether it proves me right, or proves me wrong. Truth, facts, logic, and reason. Without them, doom is the certain outcome.

[Animl-AW]

Cable news has proven to be detrimental. 24/7 air time to fill instead of 15 minute on local tv. They will talk about a subject for days 24/7. No matter what side of the fence it is a type of brainwashing. Overkill on steroids. It never gives the viewer time to think for themselves and find balance. I think its unhealthy.

Small doses only. 

[RUSH1]

Cable news has proven to be detrimental. 24/7 air time to fill instead of 15 minute on local tv. They will talk about a subject for days 24/7. No matter what side of the fence it is a type of brainwashing. Overkill on steroids. It never gives the viewer time to think for themselves and find balance. I think its unhealthy.

Small doses only.

Yet your side hates social media (X at the top) and talk radio.  MSM was your best bet as your side controlled 90% of it, therefore, the narrative.  Did you never notice this?

[Animl-AW]

Yet your side hates social media (X at the top) and talk radio.  MSM was your best bet as your side controlled 90% of it, therefore, the narrative.  Did you never notice this?

Disagree.

One station on your side has more viewers than 2-3 of those stations on the left combined. "You" have the biggest audience no matter who controls what.

In reality, to my point, the above matters not. Every single one of them do it on both sides. They HAVE to because they are a 24/7 format, there is no way around it. What is aired varies from station to station. How one selects what they watch, now days is doctor shopping on both sides. I don't watch any one station, I watch several to get a more concise feel of what's really going on. BBS, NPR are also options. However, they change up their broadcasting that's it's not one subject all day long like subliminal messaging.

My side? I have no damn side. I simply point out misinformation, it's toxic to friendships. Just because the scale is out of balance doesn't mean I have a side. I'm for anyone who doesn't screw up my best interest, health and finances. If I find flaws that's not on me.

I am IATSE Union of the arts. "Your side" doesn't like the arts and always defunds them. That affects my wallet and survival/retirement. I should not vote against my own best interest. If 'Your side" doesn't screw me I'll wave that flag with you on certain issues. That's how independents work, issue by issue. There are SOME things you are against that I am also against, how it's executed matters. I don't want to see anyone experience undue suffering. We have ONE life, there is no reset. why screw up someone's only life out of hastiness and opinions? The art of "Cause no harm".

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

People are leaving that side of the media because it has consistently lied to them. After a while, even stupid people figure things out. The majority of the main stream malignancy has destroyed itself, and has no one to blame other than those it sees when it looks in the mirror.

And I don't watch ANY of it. I have little more use for Fox than PMSDNC or CNN. But outright and knowingly LIE, and tell half the country that they're evil and you hate them, and they'll reciprocate.

Nothing personal, I have no problem with people making a living. But it was NEVER the place of the GOVERNMENT to fund "arts", regardless of who likes it. The Constitution is abundantly clear about it, too. You need only read it as written, and in the context of when it was written, who wrote it, who signed off on it, and what they wrote, abundantly, at the time.

I have no problem with the arts. However, the arts are a LUXURY, the government was never supposed to levy taxes to fund luxuries. Taxes are literally extortion, and coercion, under duress. The government should never have funded it to begin with. And they should never have become a "charity", dispensing entitlements. The men who fought to found the Republic, and wrote the Founding Documents, warned us strenuously and repeatedly against what we have. For good reason. A government big enough and powerful enough to give you everything you want is also a government big enough and powerful enough to take everything from you. Jefferson said "to force a man to support that which he abhors is sinful and tyrannical" and "if we can prevent the government from taking bread from the table of labor, under the pretense of taking care of them, the people cannot help but to become happy."

Those of us who support extremely small government realize that if the government didn't steal so much money, and exert so much undue control over thing it should never be involved with in the first place, it would have no control over so much that so many disagree on and are divided by. The government is the source of most of the problems, and more government with more power is not the solution.

[Animl-AW]

People are leaving that side of the media because it has consistently lied to them. After a while, even stupid people figure things out. The majority of the main stream malignancy has destroyed itself, and has no one to blame other than those it sees when it looks in the mirror.

And I don't watch ANY of it. I have little more use for Fox than PMSDNC or CNN. But outright and knowingly LIE, and tell half the country that they're evil and you hate them, and they'll reciprocate.

Nothing personal, I have no problem with people making a living. But it was NEVER the place of the GOVERNMENT to fund "arts", regardless of who likes it. The Constitution is abundantly clear about it, too. You need only read it as written, and in the context of when it was written, who wrote it, who signed off on it, and what they wrote, abundantly, at the time.

I have no problem with the arts. However, the arts are a LUXURY, the government was never supposed to levy taxes to fund luxuries. Taxes are literally extortion, and coercion, under duress. The government should never have funded it to begin with. And they should never have become a "charity", dispensing entitlements. The men who fought to found the Republic, and wrote the Founding Documents, warned us strenuously and repeatedly against what we have. For good reason. A government big enough and powerful enough to give you everything you want is also a government big enough and powerful enough to take everything from you. Jefferson said "to force a man to support that which he abhors is sinful and tyrannical" and "if we can prevent the government from taking bread from the table of labor, under the pretense of taking care of them, the people cannot help but to become happy."

Those of us who support extremely small government realize that if the government didn't steal so much money, and exert so much undue control over thing it should never be involved with in the first place, it would have no control over so much that so many disagree on and are divided by. The government is the source of most of the problems, and more government with more power is not the solution.

Umm you should read up on why Gov funded the arts during world wars. It was an escape and it's healthy to have escapes during wars and bad times. You basically just proved my point.
Gov shouldn't be funding the rich with tax scams off the backs of the poor. That is most ridiculous of all. Trickle down is a myth that has never once happened, they just buy their shares back. Prove me wrong

If you're gonna call something a lie you best have the ammo to prove it. It's projection. Fox was sued for and paid fines of $780 million for lying to viewers about elections.. so be careful, you're not spot on there.
Lets not get into Lie count, you will lose. Fox is registered withe FCC as a Entertainment channel to avoid FCC News casting rules, they simply call all the lies "opinion"

Not going to debate anymore policies. Most of it is mere hear-say.

[Animl-AW]

A big reason Fox has the most viewers is because on all cable networks I've seen, Fox is always in the free bundle and MSNBC is only in paid bundles. They have the most viewers, however a minority base of 25-34%. Fox pops up in my Recent list even though I have removed it from my channel list. A thumb is on the scale.

Eww yuck I need a shower

these convos aren't worth my time.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Umm you should read up on why Gov funded the arts during world wars. It was an escape and it's healthy to have escapes during wars and bad times. You basically just proved my point.
Gov shouldn't be funding the rich with tax scams off the backs of the poor. That is most ridiculous of all. Trickle down is a myth that has never once happened, they just buy their shares back. Prove me wrong

If you're gonna call something a lie you best have the ammo to prove it. It's projection. Fox was sued for and paid fines of $780 million for lying to viewers about elections.. so be careful, you're not spot on there.
Lets not get into Lie count, you will lose. Fox is registered withe FCC as a Entertainment channel to avoid FCC News casting rules, they simply call all the lies "opinion"

Not going to debate anymore policies. Most of it is mere hear-say.

"Trickle down" is a lie, created by the leftists.

The Laffer curve on tax rates vs. revenue is a proven fact.

The top 50% of income earners pay 90% of the tax revenue, the top 10% pay 50% of the tax revenue.

The Trump tax cuts of 2017 set revenue records through 2021, so, more revenue was paid in at lower tax rates, again proving the Laffer curve. Further, income and wealth growth during the first Trump administration was greater for the working middle class than for the "wealthy", for the first time in decades.

The government funded a lot of stuff during the world wars, and the depression. The vast majority of it was proven to do more harm to the economy, and to extend the economic hard times. Considering the poor and working middle class you speak of have little time or money for the arts, funding them did practically nothing for the people you claim it helped.

You can call facts and evidence "hearsay" all you want. Ignoring it doesn't make it disappear. you can ignore reality all you want, the consequences of doing so will not be ignored.

CNN and PMSDNC are free on every basic cable and satellite package I have ever seen. Just like FOX, SEEBS, ABC, and NBC. I never get my news there anyway. Turns out PBS and NPR are both staffed by 90% democrats. The CEO of PBS pretty much admitted her bias publicly.

For a conversation not worth your time, you seem to involve yourself, and be quite verbose........