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Offline Dadtallica

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Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« on: Yesterday at 10:30:41 AM »
I have become obsessed with the FW190-A5! I can’t even explain why and I’m not even doing that well with it yet. Although I’ve had a few shining moments.  I should remember not to pull up so fast because I didn’t realize I was going 843 miles an hour.

It all started when I was becoming similarly obsessed with the 109-G6. I was actually having some early success with it until somebody in a 190A5 got the better of me after a pretty decent fight somewhere in the 10 minute range or less, and I couldn’t figure out why.

After some very lengthy discussion with ChatGPT I discovered some of the maneuvers I was attempting were not helpful in my situation and when it explained why for various reasons, I decided to start flying the A5. It’s been curtains for me since. I thought the G6 could do some things that the A5 was doing to me and would give me the advantage but it turns out it was the A5 that could do the things and not me. That’s amazing on the cake. The sound of those German machine guns is pretty cool.

I am not a fighter specialist by any means. Don’t be fooled, given my journeymen time in this game I can usually hang pretty well in any plane with any plane or a little while anyway however, I shoot like Mr. Magoo so you’re safe.

I have spent several hours in the D9 and the 152 as well as some Jabo in an A8, a personal fave of mine. But for some reason, I’m not very good at dog fighting in the A8.

Anyways, look for me coming at you from way above in the A5. If you’re alone, I will come down and go after you no matter what you are if you’re fighting someone else I will ask that person if they need help before doing anything. If you’re fighting someone else and you have other country man with you and are 2:1 or more on a plane than I’m getting one of you or at least trying.

My normal mode of operations for flying fighters is to pick one, look for a big bar or where one may be happening in the next 15 minutes, then I point the plane toward that area and set it to auto climb while I go do something else for a little while. As I get older, I don’t always make it back in time so sometimes I’m ridiculously higher than I should be… and then of course, so is my plane. However, now as I’m older it’s usually because a number one turned into a number two so sometimes I don’t make it back in time. :old:

I’m going to keep flying it until the wings come off! :joystick:
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 10:34:52 AM »
Good post, sounds like  your having fun, and that makes it all worth while. That is the reason I play as well, if it ever stops being fun (Which I don't see happening), I'll be gone.  :salute
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:17:21 AM »
The A5 is the best turn fighter of the group, probably the best midwar fighter other than the P38J. Acceleration, dive speed, roll rate, and 500 cannons make it very good, but cant out turn a 109, p38, F4u, Ki84, nik, or spit given equal pilots. Its almost a good turn fighter but not quite. Its a moderately hard plane to fly in the MA if your team isnt winning the fight since you can't outrun as many planes like you can in a D9. Forcing you to turn fight.

The A8 is horrible for dog fighting. Id only use for HO rampage and to attack low bombers. Best for shooting tanks, shooting buildings, and destroying manned guns and radar.

The F8 is practically worthless. I consider one of the worse planes in the game. Very tough to be consistently successful in it.

The D9 is practically one of the best fighter interceptors in the game. Fast acceleration, amazing climb, amazing dive, amazing roll rate, with high powered cannons and 50 cals. Its one of the best planes for noobs to learn E management. Extremely tough plane to shoot down with its speed and flappy roll rate.


The 109s have to be flown much differently than a 190. Its not the same fighter style. 109s arent BnZers really. They are more like sharks weaving in and out of a large fish hoard making quick unpredictable strikes. The G6 imo is the second worst 109 behind the E. Id recommend either the G2 or G14 if you dont like the 1 30mm k4. The G2 turns better, is lighter, and much easier to handle and aim than a G6. Its slower but generally speaking you are gonna have to turn with it regardless if in a G2 or G6, so youre better off in a G2 that turns better. The G2 if flown with correct vertical ACM can outurn most unsuspecting fighters with flaps out. The G14 is a great plane but still just a little slow. One of my favorite planes in the game. It can out turn some Spitfire pilots if you know what youre doing but has to be flown with vertical ACM. I always recommend gondolas because hitting a plane with 3 20mms is way more effective than 1 and can mean you may not have to chase as long and get picked following. 109s cant dive well. And that presents the largest issue for BnZ pilots who arent practiced in spiral dives.

The 190A5 is certainly more of your style, and im glad you are switching to that, but just realize you'll probably get ganged more and youll need to practice reversal ACM and 1v1 ACM to be able to get away from more fights. This makes the game more fun for others though instead of just hitting X and "extending" away because your plane is a super late war speedster.  :aok
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 11:58:41 AM »
Had a nice fight with you Dad in your fighter <S>

Then you murdered me from your bomber..

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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 03:50:33 PM »
The A5 is the best turn fighter of the group, probably the best midwar fighter other than the P38J. Acceleration, dive speed, roll rate, and 500 cannons make it very good, but cant out turn a 109, p38, F4u, Ki84, nik, or spit given equal pilots. Its almost a good turn fighter but not quite. Its a moderately hard plane to fly in the MA if your team isnt winning the fight since you can't outrun as many planes like you can in a D9. Forcing you to turn fight.

The A8 is horrible for dog fighting. Id only use for HO rampage and to attack low bombers. Best for shooting tanks, shooting buildings, and destroying manned guns and radar.

The F8 is practically worthless. I consider one of the worse planes in the game. Very tough to be consistently successful in it.

The D9 is practically one of the best fighter interceptors in the game. Fast acceleration, amazing climb, amazing dive, amazing roll rate, with high powered cannons and 50 cals. Its one of the best planes for noobs to learn E management. Extremely tough plane to shoot down with its speed and flappy roll rate.


The 109s have to be flown much differently than a 190. Its not the same fighter style. 109s arent BnZers really. They are more like sharks weaving in and out of a large fish hoard making quick unpredictable strikes. The G6 imo is the second worst 109 behind the E. Id recommend either the G2 or G14 if you dont like the 1 30mm k4. The G2 turns better, is lighter, and much easier to handle and aim than a G6. Its slower but generally speaking you are gonna have to turn with it regardless if in a G2 or G6, so youre better off in a G2 that turns better. The G2 if flown with correct vertical ACM can outurn most unsuspecting fighters with flaps out. The G14 is a great plane but still just a little slow. One of my favorite planes in the game. It can out turn some Spitfire pilots if you know what youre doing but has to be flown with vertical ACM. I always recommend gondolas because hitting a plane with 3 20mms is way more effective than 1 and can mean you may not have to chase as long and get picked following. 109s cant dive well. And that presents the largest issue for BnZ pilots who arent practiced in spiral dives.

The 190A5 is certainly more of your style, and im glad you are switching to that, but just realize you'll probably get ganged more and youll need to practice reversal ACM and 1v1 ACM to be able to get away from more fights. This makes the game more fun for others though instead of just hitting X and "extending" away because your plane is a super late war speedster.  :aok
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 08:46:51 PM »
Had a nice fight with you Dad in your fighter <S>

Then you murdered me from your bomber..

Eagler

 :salute Yes that was a fun night! I think Demon might be under selling the A5 a tad, but he would know more than me lol. I will say I have frustrated a couple of 190D’s because I was able to keep up with them on their six. That thing does pretty good at 500+ and I think the WEP stays  engaged for the better part of several hours.

Either way, I’m gonna keep fiddling with it until my next shiny thing comes along.
« Last Edit: Yesterday at 08:51:11 PM by Dadtallica »
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #6 on: Yesterday at 08:48:07 PM »
The A5 is the best turn fighter of the group, probably the best midwar fighter other than the P38J. Acceleration, dive speed, roll rate, and 500 cannons make it very good, but cant out turn a 109, p38, F4u, Ki84, nik, or spit given equal pilots. Its almost a good turn fighter but not quite. Its a moderately hard plane to fly in the MA if your team isnt winning the fight since you can't outrun as many planes like you can in a D9. Forcing you to turn fight.

The A8 is horrible for dog fighting. Id only use for HO rampage and to attack low bombers. Best for shooting tanks, shooting buildings, and destroying manned guns and radar.

The F8 is practically worthless. I consider one of the worse planes in the game. Very tough to be consistently successful in it.

The D9 is practically one of the best fighter interceptors in the game. Fast acceleration, amazing climb, amazing dive, amazing roll rate, with high powered cannons and 50 cals. Its one of the best planes for noobs to learn E management. Extremely tough plane to shoot down with its speed and flappy roll rate.


The 109s have to be flown much differently than a 190. Its not the same fighter style. 109s arent BnZers really. They are more like sharks weaving in and out of a large fish hoard making quick unpredictable strikes. The G6 imo is the second worst 109 behind the E. Id recommend either the G2 or G14 if you dont like the 1 30mm k4. The G2 turns better, is lighter, and much easier to handle and aim than a G6. Its slower but generally speaking you are gonna have to turn with it regardless if in a G2 or G6, so youre better off in a G2 that turns better. The G2 if flown with correct vertical ACM can outurn most unsuspecting fighters with flaps out. The G14 is a great plane but still just a little slow. One of my favorite planes in the game. It can out turn some Spitfire pilots if you know what youre doing but has to be flown with vertical ACM. I always recommend gondolas because hitting a plane with 3 20mms is way more effective than 1 and can mean you may not have to chase as long and get picked following. 109s cant dive well. And that presents the largest issue for BnZ pilots who arent practiced in spiral dives.

The 190A5 is certainly more of your style, and im glad you are switching to that, but just realize you'll probably get ganged more and youll need to practice reversal ACM and 1v1 ACM to be able to get away from more fights. This makes the game more fun for others though instead of just hitting X and "extending" away because your plane is a super late war speedster.  :aok

Yes thanks the notes I do enjoy the 109’s of most types. I take out the G14 often and will now do more with the G6 for sure it’s a fun ride.

I was out turned in a G6 which is is what irked the most.
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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 09:29:37 PM »
Yes thanks the notes I do enjoy the 109’s of most types. I take out the G14 often and will now do more with the G6 for sure it’s a fun ride.

I was out turned in a G6 which is is what irked the most.

Yeah the G6 isnt really the greatest, which is why I fly the G2. No hubs on the nose, lighter, and still get gondies and will out turn most in vertical ACM.
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 11:25:23 PM »
Yes thanks the notes I do enjoy the 109’s of most types. I take out the G14 often and will now do more with the G6 for sure it’s a fun ride.

I was out turned in a G6 which is is what irked the most.


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The 109s have to be flown much differently than a 190. Its not the same fighter style. 109s arent BnZers really. They are more like sharks weaving in and out of a large fish hoard making quick unpredictable strikes. The G6 imo is the second worst 109 behind the E. Id recommend either the G2 or G14 if you dont like the 1 30mm k4. The G2 turns better, is lighter, and much easier to handle and aim than a G6. Its slower but generally speaking you are gonna have to turn with it regardless if in a G2 or G6, so youre better off in a G2 that turns better. The G2 if flown with correct vertical ACM can outurn most unsuspecting fighters with flaps out. The G14 is a great plane but still just a little slow. One of my favorite planes in the game. It can out turn some Spitfire pilots if you know what youre doing but has to be flown with vertical ACM. I always recommend gondolas because hitting a plane with 3 20mms is way more effective than 1 and can mean you may not have to chase as long and get picked following. 109s cant dive well. And that presents the largest issue for BnZ pilots who arent practiced in spiral dives.


There is some information given here I highly suggest be taken with a tonne of salt for how erroneous in nature this is. :old:
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #10 on: Today at 09:18:17 AM »
Yeah the G6 isnt really the greatest, which is why I fly the G2. No hubs on the nose, lighter, and still get gondies and will out turn most in vertical ACM.


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« Reply #11 on: Today at 10:10:40 AM »
There is some information given here I highly suggest be taken with a tonne of salt for how erroneous in nature this is. :old:

No I would take it with a whole lot of salt. I would expect some elaboration with such a countering claim. This is regarding AH and not real life results or characteristics. There's a reason why the G6 usually has one of the lower overall K/Ds of the 109s month over month.
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Re: Can’t Stop… Won’t Stop!
« Reply #12 on: Today at 11:06:38 AM »
No I would take it with a whole lot of salt. I would expect some elaboration with such a countering claim. This is regarding AH and not real life results or characteristics. There's a reason why the G6 usually has one of the lower overall K/Ds of the 109s month over month.


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Although the heavier MGs do seem to make a difference.

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« Reply #13 on: Today at 12:29:13 PM »

You fly the G6 for the challenge, and for the history, not for its uberness.

Although the heavier MGs do seem to make a difference.

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The MGs were part of why I started flying it. When you shoot like Mr. Magoo, you need all the help you can get. :joystick: :old:
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« Reply #14 on: Today at 01:24:56 PM »

You fly the G6 for the challenge, and for the history, not for its uberness.

Although the heavier MGs do seem to make a difference.

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Yeah that's what im sayin! The 109s in general arent novice planes either. In fact even a G14 is still a 25 eny plane. Id probably take a 190A5 over a G6, but id take a G2 over a 190A5 as personal preference.
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