Congrats! You got your war...

[AKIron]

And no, I won't allow the precedent set by all of our recent presidents to be ignored.

[CptTrips]

When a country insists they are going to destroy you and then persists in developing the weapons capable, claiming they can do so quickly, it's not a stretch to consider them an imminent threat.

Then you should have no problem making that case to Congress and get your authorization in a single days session.

But short of an in-progress attack, you don't meet the third criteria.

Look, if you are right, go make your case and get your vote.  That is the way the Founders intended our military to be used.  Not at the momentary whim of a single man.

Follow the process.  I'm not questioning you goal, just your means.  And following all the annoying rules is what separates us from that regime.


[Edit]  What I'm curious about is how the market is going to react.

[Animl-AW]

No one disagrees he should be gone. But thats where your point ends. As if its iver now. It’s not, it just got started.

Stop avoiding answering what the end gameis.

All your arguments on sny subject is half truths. What is the plan, where do you go from here?

You make a dead end point.

[AKIron]

I don't make the rules. Neither do you. I can still be happy that the sponsor of terrorism and regional instability is being eliminated. Peace and prosperity is good. Iran will be freed. That we exposed the uselessness of Russian and Chinese air defense systems is a bonus.

[CptTrips]

I don't make the rules. Neither do you. I can still be happy that the sponsor of terrorism and regional instability is being eliminated.

We have limited control, I grant.
But in the end we can still be judged my what we stand for and against and what we shrug and go along with.

It is also debatable if you eliminated anything.  You killed some old geezers in man-dresses that were probably months away from croaking naturally.
It is a nation of millions of guys in man-dresses.  They will be replaced.
They may even shine you on and tell you yes yes we are reforming.  And wait you out. 
How many months you going to keep the mass of our Navy cooling it's heels there? 
I don't think the Islamic regime will be replaced by anything other than more hardliners unless you march in there.

Prove me wrong.

Please.

[AKIron]

We won't march in there. That's not to say Israel won't in some fashion. Based on the millions we've seen marching there and the thousands killed I expect the majority of Iranians will overthrow their murderous government.

The Islamic Republic of Iran supported Hamas. If I was Israeli I'd want the head of everyone responsible for the atrocities of 10/7 and I wouldn't rest until I succeeded. I suspect many there feel this way exactly.

[CptTrips]

We won't march in there. That's not to say Israel won't in some fashion. Based on the millions we've seen marching there and the thousands killed I expect the majority of Iranians will overthrow their murderous government.

The Islamic Republic of Iran supported Hamas. If I was Israeli I'd want the head of everyone responsible for the atrocities of 10/7 and I wouldn't rest until I succeeded. I suspect many there feel this way exactly.

You think Israel has the troops to occupy Iran and force through a regime change?

I don't think the Israelis are that dumb.  lol

Only the US can project that kind of power.  Israel knew that.  They knew once we got our hands dirty with them, we are now on the hook for the outcome.  Our prestige is on the line.

Every day some form of that regime holds power, we look weaker and weaker and weaker and weaker.  We have to win.  They merely have to endure until the mid-terms.

How long before the, "We got to see this through to the end.  We have to finish what we started.  ...." speech?

Then....


 

Before we get there, I want every legislator to have their vote in ink on paper.

[Eagler]

Saw where boots would go to the oil port north and the straits to keep it open if/ when we enter that phase...

I expect an undisclosed #3 for authorization to use the war powers act to be reported soon..preemptive will be the word used..

Do find it kind of odd the use of an online platform that most don't use to disseminate news of this global importance..truth social..what group owns that again..

Eagler

[Spikes]

When a country insists they are going to destroy you and then persists in developing the weapons capable, claiming they can do so quickly, it's not a stretch to consider them an imminent threat.

Netanyahu has been saying for over 3 decades that there is an imminent threat. What's the definition of imminent?

[Lazerr]

We have limited control, I grant.
But in the end we can still be judged my what we stand for and against and what we shrug and go along with.

It is also debatable if you eliminated anything.  You killed some old geezers in man-dresses that were probably months away from croaking naturally.
It is a nation of millions of guys in man-dresses.  They will be replaced.
They may even shine you on and tell you yes yes we are reforming.  And wait you out. 
How many months you going to keep the mass of our Navy cooling it's heels there? 
I don't think the Islamic regime will be replaced by anything other than more hardliners unless you march in there.

Prove me wrong.

Please.

Whoever does.. they will have a chance to make an agreement.  If they choose to honor that, will determine the next steps.

No nukes,
No missiles,
No funding these third party terror groups.

If that fails, we go in with boots next time, and appoint an entire government for them.

We clearly have the ability to see what they are up to.

Leadship who's only goal is to kill people isn't okay.  They are top three in the world in natural resources.  Build an economy, with that, not a terror group.

[AKIron]

Netanyahu has been saying for over 3 decades that there is an imminent threat. What's the definition of imminent?

You and I don't get to decide. That's the responsibility of the Commander in Chief.

[CptTrips]

If that fails, we go in with boots next time, and appoint an entire government for them.

There it is.

None of the other actions will work.

You can do damage to infrastructure.  You can kill some leaders.   And they replace them.
They marched children am in arm across minefields to clear them before battle int he Iran\Iraq war.
You think some individual extra-judicial assassinations are going to cave them?

There is only so much bombing you can do before you create humanitarian crisis that politically forces your hand.

So yes...

[AKIron]

You think Israel has the troops to occupy Iran and force through a regime change?

You think Israel doesn't have intelligence on the next 10 people in the Ayatollah line? Where they live, where they are. For starters.

[CptTrips]

You and I don't get to decide. That's the responsibility of the Commander in Chief.

No, Congress.

Or under the specific, clear, and constraining language of the WPA which I don't believe have been met.

[CptTrips]

You think Israel doesn't have intelligence on the next 10 people in the Ayatollah line? Where they live, where they are. For starters.

I don't think that matters.

Between now and the mid-terms, you're not going to be able to kill them all.


It could work out OK.  I doubt it.

But I also doubted the USSR would have dissolved without violence.

But I think that was a once in a millennia lucky bounce of the ball. 
I don't think that will happen here.

I suspect this to be like Iraq.  We will whack them occasionally and they will hold on to power because as long as you still have some thugs riding around in jeeps with machine guns, they can control an unarmed populace.  You can't surgically pick off every thug in a jeep from 1500 miles away.

This will smolder on until things are a mess and we feel obligated to go in and finish it with boots.