AI vs AI

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Oh, I think the total amount of wealth changes. It's not a zero sum market or economy.

While by nature the wealthy do tend to accumulate wealth, last I looked, the vast majority of millionaires in the U.S. were first generation wealthy, and the number of them and the amount of their wealth grows. I don't believe that necessarily means anyone becomes less prosperous, or more impoverished. A large percentage of those who generate wealth for themselves employ and enrich others.

[Vulcan]

Prior to 30 years ago we did fine without cell phones. Now they are invisible chains people are addicted to and think they can't live without.

Rubbish. 30 years ago people died because they didn't have a portable form of communication. Cell phones have helped greatly in calling for help, reporting people that need help, or reporting crimes in progress. There are plenty of examples where cellphones have been of measurable benefit to us.

[AKIron]

Rubbish. 30 years ago people died because they didn't have a portable form of communication. Cell phones have helped greatly in calling for help, reporting people that need help, or reporting crimes in progress. There are plenty of examples where cellphones have been of measurable benefit to us.

Baloney. Cell phones have contributed to many traffic deaths due to texting. Crime has gone way up, not down.

"NHTSA’s Report “The True Cost of Economic and Societal Impacts of Motor Vehicle Crashes, 2019, (February 2023) indicated that rather than 3,100 deaths per years, distracted driving fatalities were likely in excess of 10,000 per year. Accordingly, the % of traffic fatalities caused by distracted driving was likely to be about 29% as opposed to 10%"

https://www.enddd.org/research-stats/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=925341257&gbraid=0AAAAADskZW1xJoni8tgTtS2_ObDI00X9h&gclid=Cj0KCQjw7eXTBhDBARIsAKF-w45G501IiqCjby7GZ8FZpt-mdrXl_zPo4C5JGJZstkoqnvxEplD5bPkaAgFhEALw_wcB

[AKIron]

Do I really expect people to voluntarily give up their cell phones? Of course not. Kids have assaulted teachers and parents who tried to take them away.

Let AI do all the driving and everyone can stay glued to that little screen in front of them.

[Eagler]

Cell phones aren't the problem it's the very powerful computers phones are today allowing everything from texting to movie watching..

..and the fact ppl don't have the self control to use them in the proper settings..

Maybe AI will figure out a way to remind forgetful parents that the baby is still in the car seat in the back seat...

My experience with it is that you have to train it so it can help you as it does not know everything correctly from the start..

It can be pretty stupid, inaccurate and ignorant in my experiences which is scary as many won't know the difference and act on inaccurate information it provides..

Eagler

[AKIron]

"can you reach me, no, you can't"

[AKIron]

Even if you never text while driving and your car is moving you're still distracted if you text at lights, etc.... I don't care that I have to beep my horn because you don't go when the light turns green. I'm talking about your mind being on the ongoing conversation instead of the road. I see it every time I drive. Erratic speed control, changing lanes at the last second to turn, wandering out of your lane. It is an epidemic. Yes, I for one will welcome our AI driver overlords.

[hazmatt]

My experience with it is that you have to train it so it can help you as it does not know everything correctly from the start..

It can be pretty stupid, inaccurate and ignorant in my experiences which is scary as many won't know the difference and act on inaccurate information it provides..

When the people who are "training" it don't know what they're talking about you end up with AI that doesn't know what it's talking about. This is the scary part: stupid, inaccurate and ignorant in my experience when said with confidence is believed by most people. Ask the AI how many people push back on answers and for the most part they say very few... That's a big problem.

[AKIron]

Facts do matter of course but creating a machine that can reason with access to all recorded human knowledge makes the errors it was fed in its infancy irrelevant I think.

[Randy1]

Rubbish. 30 years ago people died because they didn't have a portable form of communication. Cell phones have helped greatly in calling for help, reporting people that need help, or reporting crimes in progress. There are plenty of examples where cellphones have been of measurable benefit to us.

I agree with Iron on this point.  I still see it often today.  Someone driving down the road texting or watching a video.

Just a few years ago, a truck driver on I95 was watching porn on his phone.   He did not see the traffic had come to a stop.  Rammed a car with five nurses the day before they graduated killing all five.  A coworker of my wife was killed when she was replying to an angry text by her daughter.  She did not see the slow moving tractor.

How many suicides because of smart phone heavy involvement with social media.   A recent study parallel smart phone growth with continuing IQ decline.  Nothing worse to see a hooded teenager beat over a smart phone.

It is not the smart phone itself.  It is huge  number of people that abuse them in someway or another.

[AKIron]

I wouldn't have them banned because I never want a government to have that much power. I remember the old days well though and will lament the time when we were not tethered. Gone forever.

[Randy1]

The only time I carry a cellphone is when I am in my pickup truck which has questionable running issues.  My phone battery stays dead most of the time.  I never text.

So funny to see a video of a concert that cost a wad to go see but everyone is watching it on their cellphones.  How dumb is that smartphone users?

[Vulcan]

Baloney. Cell phones have contributed to many traffic deaths due to texting. Crime has gone way up, not down.

"NHTSA’s Report “The True Cost of Economic and Societal Impacts of Motor Vehicle Crashes, 2019, (February 2023) indicated that rather than 3,100 deaths per years, distracted driving fatalities were likely in excess of 10,000 per year. Accordingly, the % of traffic fatalities caused by distracted driving was likely to be about 29% as opposed to 10%"

https://www.enddd.org/research-stats/?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=925341257&gbraid=0AAAAADskZW1xJoni8tgTtS2_ObDI00X9h&gclid=Cj0KCQjw7eXTBhDBARIsAKF-w45G501IiqCjby7GZ8FZpt-mdrXl_zPo4C5JGJZstkoqnvxEplD5bPkaAgFhEALw_wcB

Distracted driving does not identify cell phones as the exclusive cause. From your report: "Distracted driving, which includes talking on cell phones, texting, eating, and other non-driving activities"

Here you go (AI Slop...):
Medical Emergency Outcomes
23% lower risk of death at the scene of an incident when emergency services are alerted by a mobile phone compared to a landline
9.1% one-month survival rate for out-of-hospital cardiac arrests when using a cellphone to call for help, compared to just 4.3% via landline.
Proximity care advantages allow bystanders to remain next to the patient to provide real-time CPR or first-aid guided by a dispatcher.

[AKIron]

Texting while driving, whether just reading or sending absolutely in ever single instance is distracted driving. Most distracted driving is caused by this. If you are defending it I'm guessing you do it. Shame on everyone who does. They risk not only their own life but those of their passengers and everyone on the road around them.

[Vulcan]

Texting while driving, whether just reading or sending absolutely in ever single instance is distracted driving. Most distracted driving is caused by this. If you are defending it I'm guessing you do it. Shame on everyone who does. They risk not only their own life but those of their passengers and everyone on the road around them.

I am not defending anything. I am pointing out the supporting data YOU linked to specifies distracted driving as being many things, and does not attribute 100% of distracted driving to cellphones, nor does it quantify it any way what so ever. The devil is the details.

Seems like a meek attempt at a strawman tbh.