Cya

[Torque]

Nah... I deleted it

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[Wanker]

Stop it!

If ya'll can't argue nicely, take threads like this to AGW where it belongs.

AGW has for many years been known as the hotbed of snide, rude, insulting threads and counter-threads. If you want to beat each other over the head with insults, take it there.

Until this thread, this BB has been a good, fun place to argue and discuss things. It would be nice if we could continue to agree to disagree without all the personal attacks!

Don't make me send ya'll to the principal.

[Badger]

 

Originally posted by Torque:
Nah... I deleted it

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Torque.... <salute>

and no...it doesn't mean I'm going to wear the dress tonight....  



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[Udie]

Laz, becareful what you ask for.... What country do you fly for?  

udie

[-lazs-]

Well.... Guess i was mad and shouldn't generalize about 30 or so players by what I've read from a half dozen or so but.....

this continual wailing about a plane that is the easiest to defeat in the entire plane set is beyond belief to me.  To top it off.... none of the wailers offer any kind of proof or data to support their claims.   I have heard at least 6 theories put forth as to why the 1C (and only the 1C) has 4 overmodeled HS's... The theories have all been either bizzare or downright laughable and have each been disproven in turn...  The latest is that the guns are too close together.... Maybe so, i don't know but judging from how accurate the other theories were I'd say.... prove it.

oodee... I'd say that if a person flew with discipline in a group of at least 3-6 in cannon Hogs he could do very well.   If that person flew by himself he would be meat.
lazs

[Ripsnort]

LAZS: "None of the wailers offer any kind of proof or data to support their claims


Just for you Laz....

Let me quote Pyro:
"What you complain about is in my area of responsibility, so I'll give you my viewpoint. My interest is snot in continuously changing the game, it's in advancing it. So I don't like to knee-jerk changes in until I'm convinced it is the proper action. On issues that are not clearly bugs, this may take some time.

The downside of this is when people go off the deep end. For example, I spent yesterday afternoon going over weapons modeling in detail and turned up a few things. Good news? Well maybe in that case, but maybe not in the overall scheme of things. Why? Because once somebody goes off the deep end, any changes that come about will be perceived as a result of their action. That perception  will frustrate the majority of players who feel the loudest voices are the only ones listened to and will serve to reinforce that as a means to an end. That will degrade this community and our relationship with it. Alienation is a bad thing.

LAZS:"I'd say that if a person flew with discipline in a group of at least 3-6 in cannon Hogs he could do very well. If that person flew by himself he would be meat."

Would you explain that to the 6 bombers of 8 in tight formation that were manned by competent, vet pilots, who were shot down by ONE  pilot who had just signed onto AH's 2 weeks prior? (all in 1 pass a piece, most were 2 pings, and wing came off) Hmmm?  


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[Dnil]

I said to my squaddies I wouldnt respond here but lasz didnt look before he spoke.  check my stats, I rarely flew LW iron.  Flew one tour believe it was 3 almost exclusively hog, cannon hog to be exact, check the stats.  Also ask someone here if they have winged with me.  My problem is just not the 1c, that just amplifies it.  I have been doing this along time, it is just old.  Nash your wording waaaaaaay to much into it.  I said maybe one day it would be worth some cash.  Thats it.  Real easy to get pissy over the net huh?  Again check the stats before ya spout off, flew the dweebhog to prove a point and did.  hehe also check the 202 stats in tour 3, 6 to 1 i think k/d, yeeeooow.

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JG-2
Part time aircraft restorer. www.kingwoodcable.com/jheuer

[Swager]

I have a 2:1 K/D (8 kills vs 4 deaths)in the 1C!  For me that's incredible!  

Hell, I'm gona fly it more often!!!    

Actually I like the G-10 and Spit too much!    

My advice for tangling with the 1C:

"GET THE HELL OUT OF IT'S WAY!!"

Dosen't always work, but what the hell!!  

Peace brother and may thy flaming hot 303's pierce your anal cavity!    

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XO   I/JG2~Richthofen~
"Damn.....I can't believe I missed that shot!!!"
 
JG2 "Richthofen"

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by lazs:
Ram.. I havent been here long but your posts seem to be about prejudiced, one sided and , what's worse, wrong, as any I've seen.   You either instigate or contribute to every whiny , crybaby "LW planes don't have a big enough advantage" thread out there.  Sheesh....

Cc. you just proof that you didnt read even one of my posts in this board carefully. If you chech Aircraft/Vehicles forum you'll see that I am asking for the SpitXIV to come to AH along the Fw190d9. And that is only one of the examples.

But you come here ,and the only thing you do is to say nonsense and insult a hole squad. A squad that you dont know because I bet that you cant name more than 7 people in it.

So please dont come here and start to call me Whiner-LW-fanatic. I know I whine (90% time about hog turbolasers). I know I am a 190 nut. But I always try to keep my head cool. You try to put JG2's people on fire. ANd you just did it. AS I said if you have some constructive to say, tell it. If not, shuddup.

 
 

I say let all the jg2 guys fly cannon Hogs for an entire tour and we will see how they do.  Let's just see how much of an uber plane it is.   I don't think they would do that great myself.
lazs

Lazs if you have even flown one Fw190a8 in Aces high and you compare it with a CannonHawg then you **must** know that the F4U does EVERYTHING a Fw190A8 can do...if not better. Saving level acceleration, ANYTHING else is better done by F4U. Is the same kind of plane but more dangerous. Now go and check my scores in Fw190A8. You'll realize that near 90% my time in AH is spent in a Fw190A8.

The change would be like those athletes of the olympic 100 meters who uses to run with 10Kg weight with them. When they quit the weight they run like lightnings.

Be VERY carefull of what you wish, man. F4U is like a Fw190 in steroids...and with turbolasers.

[Vermillion]

Come on RAM, I know your upset, but your exagerating again.

 

Be VERY carefull of what you wish, man. F4U is like a Fw190 in steroids...and with turbolasers.

And speaking to you as a friend, I have to be honest and say that its the reactionary comments like these that make people not take you as seriously as you feel they should.  

Its also the reason that alot of people write it off as as a typical Luftwaffe, "my 190 is not a Lethality God plane whine".

So take a deep breath   Relax a little, and try to be more objective in your posts. If you do, people will respect you alot more, and take you seriously. At least thats what my years of posting on boards like these has taught me.

In regards to the 190 vs F4U comparison, the numbers show that these two planes fly very similarly.

So if your successful in one, you should be similarly successful in the other.



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**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Torque]

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[Yeager]

I dont know what Im missing here but the F4U-1C just isnt that big of a concern to me.

If I had just one squeak plane it would be the 109-G10.....I HATE that thing.  I would much rather fight against 1Cs than G10s.

Still, I feel sorta bad that some folks are finding things so out of whack that they are compelled to close accounts.  I guess the more things change the more they stay the same.

Yeager

[RAM]

Umm Verm ,while I can understand what you say, regarding the F4Uvs Fw190 I think im not exagerating.

Think in Fw190 Strongpoins:

firepower (F4UC has more)
Speed on deck (f4U has more)
rollrate (F4U has the equal)
Good fast snapturn (F4U has quite good too)
Nice diving (F4U Dives better)
Excellent hispeed handling (f4U equals it).
Nice Zooming (F4U zooms better)

And now we touched the strongpoints...lets see the bad points:
Fw190:
Climbs really bad -F4U outclimbs Fw190
sustained turnrate sucks -F4U's is better plus it has combat flaps.
Horrible stallfighter- F4U much better
Has a nasty spin - F4U too  

The only one thing that 190 does better than F4U,and not for a big deal, is level accelerating. 0G acceleration is equal because F4U's lesser drag.

Ah, yes and F4U is big and 190 is small

I find F4U quite MORE dangerous than 190 in D version C is simply terrifing if you see it flying a wuerger.

Tell me verm, Am I exagerating? if I get up a F4UD I know I'll do better than I do in 190 as it is a better plane. If I get C version I'll feel like a god, is the way of flying I love and it has deathrays. Is there some exageration here? I think not.

So I again say: LAZS CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU ASK FOR! any Fw190 Driver will kick a lot of tulips outta the sky if they drive F4U. And we fly german iron, you know.

BTW I dont whine about F4U. If it was a better plane than A8 its okay. I only say that if someone thinks we wont do well in it is VERY VERY wrong.

WE already kick tulips on 190. Do you want to see ALL jg2 on F4U1-C? really?...lazs, pray god you never see us doing it.

[StSanta]

Oops, looks like my post did press some buttons. Good  . Most questions have been dealt with by others so I will comment on one specific one;

 

A few snipped quotes from StSanta's post:

Quote - "His opinion is that the current state in MA with quakers flying cannon hogs or people just generally going on kamikaze hunt is *not* worth his $30. WTF is wrong with those who criticize him for having an opinion other than their own?"

The *only* "opinion" he expressed in this thread (and later edited out) was that AH wasn't worth it.

Yes, I have insider knowledge, So AH isn't worth it, and I just gave you the explanation to why it ain't worth it to him. Thought it would help clarify matters.

 

Quote - "Will this opinion piss you guys off too? or is it ok because it matches your own?"

What "opinion" are you meaning? Is "Finally done with this cya guys" an opinion?

No, I was referring to the opinion that it IS worth my $30. Do you find it upsetting?

 

Quote - "Note, just talking to the people who come down guns blazing when a fellow pilot says his goodbye and offers his opinion/explanation for why he's leaving."

The only explanation he gave, again, edited out, was that AH wasn't worth the money.

He gave his opinion with regards to the game. In another thread in the JG2 area he gave us the explanation. Of course that ain't available to the general public.

My point was, will you slam me for saying "oh man, this game is worth my $30, I think I'll stay" or will you find that opinion equally disturbing?
 

Now where is alla this F4U stuff coming from? Was that JG2 intra squad email your getting this from? Y'all are talking like we were supposed to know that he was pissed at this plane. I get the sense that he said some proper goodbyes to the squad - then came on the board to post some quick, abrasive 'ciao dudes'.

He said goodbyes in the JG2 forum. Do you have friends outside town? Would you say goodbye to them too? Thought so.

 

If not, I can tell you that if a long time squady of mine took off with just a "Finished with this, cya", there would be no <S> from me. Seems pretty damned disrespectful.

Hm, I dunno. Maybe it's a matter of perception. I didn't see it as personally insulting in any way. I didn't rea into it "you guys are suckers for liking this sim, I've grown out of it you crybabies!". All I read was that someone had had too much AH and was leaving. Sort of like drinking one beer too much  .
 

I think some of you guys must have read a different post/email than the rest of us. Excuse me for reacting to the one at hand here.

Yeh was thinking about that as I maede my post, and that's why I included the explanation; not to whine or have a basis to go off screaming but rather explain the motives. My issue really wasn't with quakers or ac hogs. More with what was insulting about his post.

Yes, it is negative, but as I said, it's just a guy who've have eaten too much candy and feels all bloated while still having some left  

He'll be back.  



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II/JG2

[Nash]

--chomp---edit---mulch---blend----puree---

I ain't got a prollem with anyone, Dnil included. I just didn't like his post. So I said as much. Anything more is just silly.

Done.


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