Cya

[Jekyll]

 

firepower (F4UC has more)
Speed on deck (f4U has more)
rollrate (F4U has the equal)
Good fast snapturn (F4U has quite good too)
Nice diving (F4U Dives better)
Excellent hispeed handling (f4U equals it).
Nice Zooming (F4U zooms better)

And now we touched the strongpoints...lets see the bad points:
Fw190:
Climbs really bad -F4U outclimbs Fw190
sustained turnrate sucks -F4U's is better plus it has combat flaps.
Horrible stallfighter- F4U much better
Has a nasty spin - F4U too

Don't forget RAM, the A8 we have in Aces HIgh is NOT the A8 fighter, it's the A8 'Sturmbock' version.

Extra armour (and therefore weight)
No MW50 injection

My understanding is that HTC had some problem modelling just how MW50 would affect performance, so they chose the path of least resistance and modelled a version without MW50.

Which makes me wonder what they'll do to the D9 if it ever comes out  

[RAM]

Jekyll I know the A8 here is sturmbock version. But "MR" lazs     dared to affirm that us, JG2 pilots, wouldn't do any well in F4UC. So I answered him. F4U1-C is like a Fw190A8 in steroids. It is just the same kinda flying but with a better plane. So if we are flying Fw190,and doing it quite well right now,we would ROCK in the LaserHawg. In fact I believe that we would rock in ANY plane , but that is another matter not concerning this thread  

Thats my point. I dont say anything about historical planes I am speaking about ARENA ones.and in current arena planeset, Hawg is just like a feeded up Fw190.

BTW MW50 in A8?. I'd love to see that!     . Anyway seems that few MW50 system made their path to A series. GM1 was another thing, tho. Many A8s were fitted with it. I'd love to see 190's alt performance improved     ...

I dont see why A8 cant be fitted with Mw50, anyway. I am quite sure than more than 200 Fw190A8 had that system...and that is more or less the same number as operational cannonhawgs in WWII, isnt it?. So I think they should bring it up, too    

Maybe Pyro could make an option for Fw190A8 and D9, available in Hangar.
Option 1: no system fitted, AUX tank used for fuel, or for nothing at all.

Option 2: MW50 system fitted. AUX tank reserved for MW50 use.

Option 3: GM1 boost system fitted. AUX tank reserved for GM1 use.

Why dont use a booster?. I can find at least 2 reasons:

First:they weighted their share of pounds.

Second:they put fuel drinking at cloud level. Fw190 has nice endurance but when using a booster it should drop significantly.

I thing that would be a nice addition to Fw190A8,(and the future D9)as now we need some reason to fly it when A5 comes!. and A5 werent fitted with Mw50, or that it seems.


Regarding your fears about D9 without booster,a big big number of Fw190D9s were fitted with Mw50. If not from factory, yes in retrofits on fields. So if you model a D9 you MUST do it with MW50 to keep things real       but if HTC want to model new planes never modelled they could do it with a D12     ALL of them with MW50    

BTW Me109G10 has MW50 boost included in AH, so I guess is not a problem with HTC not knowing how to model it.


[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 05-26-2000).]

[Vermillion]

 

Tell me verm, Am I exagerating?

To be honest? Yes I do think you are exaggerating the differences in the two aircraft  

Sure there are differences in the aircraft, but the advantages, either way, are so small that pilot quality makes all the difference in my opinon. And I agreed with you from the start that a good Fw190 pilot willl make a good F4U pilot, and vice versa.

You guys keep claiming that our A8 is a "Sturmbock", wheres your evidence for that? I remember Pyro explicitly stating that our A8 was not a Sturmbock when we first got our 190.

And I also remember the whole debate on why it didn't have MW50. Evidently very few of the service A8's had operational MW50 systems, so thats why he chose to model it without it.

RAM, that Ta152 book I recommended, you should pick it up and look at the flight testing data before you start to ask for either the D12 or D13. Here is a link with the speed vs altitude, and climb vs altitude, flight test data for the D12. Notice that its max speed at SL is 340 mph, much slower than the current A8. The 190D12 would perform poorly in our arena because it was optimized for higher altitudes than where we typically fight.
 http://web.mountain.net/~arringto/ta152/ta152-3.jpg



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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
"Real Men fly Radials, Nancy Boys fly Spitfires"

[Minotaur]

So refreshing....

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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Vermillion:

Sure there are differences in the aircraft, but the advantages, either way, are so small that pilot quality makes all the difference in my opinon. And I agreed with you from the start that a good Fw190 pilot willl make a good F4U pilot, and vice versa.

Verm, tell me only ONE advantage that has 190 over F4U,apart that slight best flat acceleration. Please do it. I am still searching it.
 

You guys keep claiming that our A8 is a "Sturmbock", wheres your evidence for that? I remember Pyro explicitly stating that our A8 was not a Sturmbock when we first got our 190.

Then it is clear that Fw190A8 is bad modelled. 2000 feet/minute on climbing at 5K? come on!

 

And I also remember the whole debate on why it didn't have MW50. Evidently very few of the service A8's had operational MW50 systems, so thats why he chose to model it without it.

How many Mw50 Fw190A8 were up in WWII?. how many N1K2s or F4U1-Cs were up in WWII?.
dont talk me about numbers, verm. I have the advantage here and we both know it  

 

RAM, that Ta152 book I recommended, you should pick it up and look at the flight testing data before you start to ask for either the D12 or D13. Here is a link with the speed vs altitude, and climb vs altitude, flight test data for the D12. Notice that its max speed at SL is 340 mph, much slower than the current A8. The 190D12 would perform poorly in our arena because it was optimized for higher altitudes than where we typically fight.

D12 was named tongue-in-cheek, Verm. I NEVER want to fly a plane only armed with 2 Mk108s,either. Im not crazy.  

[Nashwan]

If it's purely a numbers game, how many of the 5,665 Spit IXs made had 4 cannon? More than 200 I'd say.

[Superfly]

   Don't make me turn this car right around and go home!  Stop touching your brother!  Stop teasing your sister!  Stop your crying before I give you something to cry about!  Ok, that's it no candy for you!  You're grounded!  

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HiTech Creations
"Happiness is a warm gun momma" - The Beatles
-=HELLFIRE=- SQUAD

[sourkraut]

Superfly -

You forgot :
I am going to take my ball and go home!

I wish my squad mates would quit whining too.
And they can toss me out of the squad for saying so. I don't give a rats....

BTW - the only thing that will chase me
from AH is when I can't have a plane that
someone else is flying. I am not gonna try
to earn merit points for a freaking plane.
(Not a whine - a fact).

Sour


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JG-2 Richthofen

"Hey - someone has to be the target...."

 

[This message has been edited by sourkraut (edited 05-26-2000).]

[Pollock]

Dont even dignify the negatives with a response I personally think the JG2 is one of the best squads going and hate seeing any of them leaving. I hope this is not a pattern though I suspect it is. Everyone who pays to play is right in what they want to do.
My guess is the "Quake Bird" play and planes with turbo lasers is one of the main reasons for members to leave. If Hitech does not perceive it as a problem it is not going to be addressed and more good pilots will leave
which is a shame. Soon perhaps Hitech will add a historical arena allowing a more even plane for our gaming pleasure.

[-lazs-]

You guys are reading WAY to much into what I am saying.   The -1C is not an uber plane... The guns are only about 6% more leathal than an A8's... It turns worse and climbs about the same but accelerates worse.  There just ain't much to choose between the 2.... If you switch from 190's to -1C's (everything else being equal) you just shouldn't do much better or worse.   The -1c will not give you any advantage worth talking about.   In two hrs of fairly intense combat (for AH) I noticed that not one of the 7-8 enemey Hogs that attacked survived.   I find them pathetic.   I find that fear of this somewhat undermodeled plane is even more so.

To me... The worst plane in the game is the Tiffie followed by a tie for second worse... 190 A8/Corsair.  fix the turn on the Corsair and add a 190A4/5 at the same time and then you will have some good fights.
lazs

[This message has been edited by -lazs- (edited 05-27-2000).]

[-towd_]

fix the f4u turn ? lol i want some of what hes smokin. its a damb big fat blue zeke. try to turn with one in a 109 . i cast my vote that the hog is uber uber uber and guns are about 2 times what 190s are( even 20 and 30 mm config)  from my laymans couple thousand hours in them. get rid of the damb thing.or fix it

[Udie]

  A 190 w/ 4 20mm's certainly does NOT turn as well as a 1c.  With 2 20mm I can out manuver the 1c in the vertical, but it's very tough to do that kind of manuvering and stay out of the 1200 yrd. umberella that the 1c's cannons give it.

 I've decided that I don't want it removed from the sim though.  I think there is enough interest now in a HA.  Once we get a few more planes and maybe even some sort of CM tool, I'm going to start an HA.

 As for now the only chutes that I will shoot will be those of 1c pilots (or "observers" near a battle)  So if your 1c get's nailed by a Knight 190  you better just go ahead and ride it in, because I'm going to fill you w/ 20mm shells when you bail    

 I discovered last night that killing 1c pilots in their chutes feels REALY GOOD. It felt so good that it gave me a diferent perspective of the 1c.  Keep it, but give us extra points for plinking the pilots in their chutes  after we make them bail out  


Udie
U.H.P.C.P.A.A.H.
Uber Hawg Pilot Chute Plinking Assosiation of Aces High  

[Minotaur]

LOL Udie!  

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The Wrecking Crew

[RAM]

 

 I discovered last night that killing 1c pilots in their chutes feels REALY GOOD. It felt so good that it gave me a diferent perspective of the 1c.  Keep it, but give us extra points for plinking the pilots in their chutes  after we make them bail out  

Lol udie...I am doing the same since a couple of weeks ago  

RAM

U.H.P.C.P.A.A.H. new member  

[BigJim]

LOL I fly the dweeb mobile almost exclusively except when in the SEA in some kind of senario, check my stats they suck in the Hog, my K/D sucks, my gunnery sucks, etc etc etc.  My point???? well it is the pilot not the iron, hell I suck just as bad in the spit LOL

BigJim