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Just gonna drop this here...
« on: September 07, 2026, 09:56:33 PM »
...for the GBers

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Now that I am updating again the plan is to implement a Max # of fields one country can capture from another.

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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2026, 11:21:45 PM »
BTW, knits pay $15 to have fun too.
Your fun should not impede the fun of others to the magnitude you do it.
You left Knits 3 bases to fly from tonight. It’s become habitual and sad. You really don’t care how much harm you cause the game or players who log off. Life is all about you.

Tje one who talk about numbers do it the most. Whatsumatter you?


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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2026, 11:40:15 PM »
We were down to a few bases AND had ENY making it nearly impossible to do anything. Also, a couple of the LCA logged specifically because of the ENY.

ENY needs to be addressed. When the numbers are so few, it makes zero sense. All it does in encourage people to log off every nite.
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2026, 01:57:09 AM »
Possibility:   Each country must take 10% of the other 2 countries before they can begin taking more of either of the enemy country's bases.  Then the country has to take 15% of both enemy country's bases before they can work on the last 5% of the enemy bases of the other countries.  When the country taking bases reaches say 20% or 22% of an enemy country, then they can't capture any more of that country until they capture the other enemy's 20% or 22%.  It makes the base capturing more incremental and forces a country to fight both fronts as an aggressor. 

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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2026, 08:22:54 AM »
Also, a couple of the LCA logged specifically because of the ENY.


Just out of curiosity, what are the planes that people want to fly, but can't, because of ENY?

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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2026, 09:16:06 AM »
BTW, knits pay $15 to have fun too.
Your fun should not impede the fun of others to the magnitude you do it.
You left Knits 3 bases to fly from tonight. It’s become habitual and sad. You really don’t care how much harm you cause the game or players who log off. Life is all about you.

Tje one who talk about numbers do it the most. Whatsumatter you?

I believe this is correct. As a group, we should be aware of too much polarization and divert attacks evenly to allow good fun for all pilots  :salute
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2026, 09:26:23 AM »

Just out of curiosity, what are the planes that people want to fly, but can't, because of ENY?

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The easy ones.
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2026, 09:32:23 AM »
The easy ones.

Well, coming from a guy who on rooks who literally basically milk ran 60% of our bases with ZERO fights on bish rook fronts while we fought bish last night your words shrink along with your character. And it’s not just last night, or weekends anymore, it’s becoming every night now. So lets cut the passive aggressive approach to stupid.
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2026, 09:34:29 AM »
Possibility:   Each country must take 10% of the other 2 countries before they can begin taking more of either of the enemy country's bases.  Then the country has to take 15% of both enemy country's bases before they can work on the last 5% of the enemy bases of the other countries.  When the country taking bases reaches say 20% or 22% of an enemy country, then they can't capture any more of that country until they capture the other enemy's 20% or 22%.  It makes the base capturing more incremental and forces a country to fight both fronts as an aggressor. 

Cheers,  One-eye    :joystick:
                 

I suggested years ago that it should be team A can only take 2 bases from team B before they have to take one base from team C before they could take any more bases from team B. This way the fight automatically jumps from front to front at least once an hour during prime time, more often during low number times. But it would work to get ALL players having fights. Would it be a coding nighmare? Most likely, ask A.I.  :devil


Just out of curiosity, what are the planes that people want to fly, but can't, because of ENY?

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The hotrods, 190D9, Pony, P47m, N, Tempest and so on. Far too many people feel they cant compete with out them. Now, is it because they cant catch the bad guys with out all that speed, or is that just an excuse they use because they cant win a fight with out them  :devil

That would be great, but most humans dont work that way. I dont know how many times Ive tried to "herd the cats" to the other front after our team hit 25% capture of one teams bases.

I believe this is correct. As a group, we should be aware of too much polarization and divert attacks evenly to allow good fun for all pilots  :salute
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In most cases you have to create your own fun. ZE does it by upping his Brewster and flying on the deck at a capped field. Others could up a sector or two away and come in with alt to try and break the cap. Dont like furballs? Load a fighter nice and hvy and hit a base away from the action and flatten some towns. Heck rtb and reload and do it again until someone ups to defend. It will really pump up your "damage per sortie" numbers   :devil

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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2026, 09:39:04 AM »
Far too many can’t compete when the gang bangers that have them and we don’t. Your sqd is part of the problem. You guys nightly dump 1-2 bars on 3-5 defenders. Then you want to minimize the fact we get eny too. So lets cut the crap. Don’t scratch your fingernail polish getting a mighty win.

You are in minimization mode, because you’re guilty. You enjoy every bit of the nightly GBs. You try to stop nothing.

Why don’t you stop walking around the problem YOU create with the oh make your own fun act. HT evidently doesn’t buy into it either.

Pay my $15 do whatever you want
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2026, 10:35:51 AM »
I believe this is correct. As a group, we should be aware of too much polarization and divert attacks evenly to allow good fun for all pilots  :salute
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Well, don’t threaten us with actual logic ZE, <friendly nudge>

I’ll add, most individuals are good people. But as a group they are disgusting wimps.

I wish more thought like you, but this has to be done because they don’t.

These same guys who laugh here fly uber planes and HO too. You’re an exception to the rule.
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2026, 11:07:13 AM »

Just out of curiosity, what are the planes that people want to fly, but can't, because of ENY?

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Personally, ENY doesn’t bother me as mush as others who fly various AC.
My main ride is D9, basically because of hordes and a deacker. I simply switch to A5.

Many times I have had up to 5-8 on my 6. They probably get kill-shooter all trying to kill me. It’s hilarious. I need that speed.

Players who fly 38s, 47s, 51s etc…get hurt. When you’re being GBed too its too painful and they log off. Too many nights in a row they simply don’t return. Its vomit
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2026, 12:07:07 PM »
Here’s my thought/idea

The number of bases a country can capture from another is limited (as posted)

When a country is down to bare minimum bases, whatever that is determined, ENY isn’t applied to that country. That usually means they are being GBed.

Since I don’t know 100% of the ENY equation, auto-climb/level should be included as controls. It may already be, I don’t know. If not, ENY is swiss cheese. I think it’s safe to assume hey are included.

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This is not about any individual. A bad seed is actually rare in AH. Frankly none if us are oerfect, we’ve all messed (soft woding) up something. When it gets down to it the community is tighter under the surface. BS, is not the best example. It’s about group/horde mentality in a melee environment. To convert chaos to fun there needs to be rules and limits, without it this game would have been dead when it peaked. Because of human and gamer nature combined they just cannot police themselves. Rules, Mods and Creator limits must exist.
It’s not personal, nor a control you conspiracy. It needs to be controlled chaos to get fun out of it.

My ears close when I hear “you’re just trying to control me too muc”.

HT is showing he gives a sht and tweaking towards a honey spot without it being over-controlling. He seems mire aware if that than given credit for.
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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2026, 12:24:07 PM »
Honestly, I don’t think ENY is nearly as bad as people make it out to be—at least until you start getting above about 20 ENY.

I think a lot of the complaining really starts when people lose access to the 5 ENY aircraft. Those are the planes people are comfortable in, and when they're suddenly unavailable, it feels like they've been forced into something terrible. But between 5 and 20 ENY, there are still plenty of very good options.

Take the P-51B, for example. At around 20 ENY, it's still a very capable airplane. I think the biggest reason more people don't fly it is simply the armament. The performance is there, but a lot of players don't like giving up the heavier guns.

The P-47 lineup is probably one of the best examples of ENY not being a huge problem. There are good Thunderbolt options across a wide range of ENY levels.

The P-38 is also surprisingly ENY-proof. The P-38J at 20 ENY is, in practical terms, almost as good as the 12 ENY P-38L probably 99% of the time. And even the 30 ENY P-38G can be a lot of fun if you keep it extremely light.

Once you get into the 30 ENY range, though, things definitely change. You can still fly effectively, but you have to work harder. The aircraft generally become slower, less forgiving, and less capable of controlling the engagement.

On its own, I don't actually think that's a problem. Having to fly less capable aircraft when your country has a numbers advantage is a reasonable mechanic.

The real problem is what happens at the same time.

Your country has the numbers advantage, so you're restricted to worse aircraft—but you're also often fighting on multiple fronts and getting gangbanged anyway. So you have the population advantage on paper, but that doesn't necessarily mean you personally have an advantage where you're actually fighting.

That's where the ENY system starts producing frustrating gameplay.

You end up with situations where the only available fight is trying to launch a 30 ENY aircraft while a group of guys in 5 ENY Ponies is orbiting over the field waiting to kill anything that takes off.

Sure, you can up from an uncontested base and fly over instead of repeatedly getting vulched. But now you're flying a slower, lower-performance airplane and spending more time just trying to reach the fight.

And look, I'm absolutely in favor of upping a mediocre airplane against a vulching horde and seeing what you can do with it. Sometimes that's one of the most satisfying things in the game.

But that's the difference: doing it occasionally because you chose the challenge is fun. Being forced to do it repeatedly because ENY has taken away your viable options while the enemy is sitting over your field in their best aircraft is where it stops being fun.

That's the part of the current system that bothers me. It's not simply, “I can't fly my favorite plane.” It's that the combination of high ENY restrictions, bad local fights, and enemy hordes can leave you in a situation where you're simultaneously supposed to be the side with the numbers advantage and the guy trying to take off in a 30 ENY airplane against 5 ENY fighters already positioned above your runway.

On paper, that makes sense as balancing.

In practice, sometimes it just means the side with more players gets punished globally while individual players still get slaughtered locally.



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Re: Just gonna drop this here...
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2026, 12:27:58 PM »
The biggest problem I experienced with ENY was when you couldn't up a plane fast enough to catch the LW rocket planes. I started to fly the D9 a lot because it was the only plane that I could have a chance at catching the runstangs. I think the problem is that it compounds on itself. If you can't catch the runners, it forces you into a fast plane just to be competitive.