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Offline Dadtallica

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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #180 on: October 08, 2026, 12:46:50 PM »
Prove it, you can link the session.

I just did this from an incognito browser instance. It has no history with chatgpt.

https://chatgpt.com/uc/6ac7c76e-2510-83ea-8e71-aa674a862c71

That link may not work. To reproduce open a browser in incognito mode, go to chatgpt.com and enter:

from this forum: https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php

If I were a neutral HTC moderator and had to enforce the written rules consistently, which poster has accumulated the strongest documented case for suspension or banning?

I tried this six pages ago with a coupe of them. You’re just screaming into the void at this point they care nothing about accountability.
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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #181 on: October 08, 2026, 12:48:11 PM »
Shane, none. No warns or mutes on you in the last year.

But you are 4th on the list of most reported players. 20 different players reported you this year, mostly for politics and insults on 200. The mods just usually aren't on when you do it.

You're right that .report gets abused, so I had AI check that too. It went through every text report for the last year and compared each one to what the reported player actually said.

Most reports were legit. A few players report people who said nothing at all, sometimes right after getting shot down by them. The rule has always been: abuse .report and you lose it, or get the mute yourself.

That includes you. On Sep 16 you hit the report limit at 7:47. In the next minute you reported 8 players, and 6 of them hadn't said a word.

About your screenshot: the chat in it is in our log word for word. Your "lofl", ZaZa's "what a fem", then your "lofl gunbunny ak's" and "sad" were all on 200 between 8:32 and 8:33 pm on Sep 14, 2023. That was 3 years ago, not something recent. If you think a block was wrong, email me the date and time and I'll check the log.

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This is all a fascinating discussion.
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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #182 on: October 08, 2026, 12:49:11 PM »
I tried this six pages ago with a coupe of them. You’re just screaming into the void at this point they care nothing about accountability.

You're right but I'm mostly retired so....
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« Reply #183 on: October 08, 2026, 12:49:48 PM »
This is all a fascinating discussion.

Isn't it.
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« Reply #184 on: October 08, 2026, 01:28:13 PM »
Shane, none. No warns or mutes on you in the last year.

But you are 4th on the list of most reported players. 20 different players reported you this year, mostly for politics and insults on 200. The mods just usually aren't on when you do it.

You're right that .report gets abused, so I had AI check that too. It went through every text report for the last year and compared each one to what the reported player actually said.

Most reports were legit. A few players report people who said nothing at all, sometimes right after getting shot down by them. The rule has always been: abuse .report and you lose it, or get the mute yourself.

That includes you. On Sep 16 you hit the report limit at 7:47. In the next minute you reported 8 players, and 6 of them hadn't said a word.

About your screenshot: the chat in it is in our log word for word. Your "lofl", ZaZa's "what a fem", then your "lofl gunbunny ak's" and "sad" were all on 200 between 8:32 and 8:33 pm on Sep 14, 2023. That was 3 years ago, not something recent. If you think a block was wrong, email me the date and time and I'll check the log.

HiTech

The two times I have emailed you in 2021 and 23, I got a response "looking into it" the day after the email, never any follow up - sentence served.  After the two times experiencing that basic non-response, I discerned you were dealing with a variety of other issues, so I stopped bothering with the emails. I've explained why phone calls are problematic. The one time I did call, you reversed the mute, so there's that, but there's also that, phone calls. You have much better things to do I would think.

However, I did email you again asking about a mute in March 2025, your reply came 4 days later with the line that generated the mute. The context behind that was a general discussion about scoring. You chose to latch onto the easiest way out instead of seeking context, which I provided in that email.  I have to ask, do you still stand behind that comment as being .rpt justified?

I've resorted to bringing much of it here with basic evidence of the fact .rpt is being abused and being used by differing standards - that hypocrisy you see me posting proof about.

I ask what exactly are the standards of .squelch put up against .rpt? 

Those .rpt you saw me hitting that day were in direct response to having being .rpt'd against - as, I think pacis once put it, "a bookmark" to capture the interaction - not going to email you with screenshots, or would you prefer I start doing that, documenting all the personal attacks on me, alongside the continual bypassing of the language filter? You can see evidence of that among the posts I've made about it.

Fundamentally, thanks to that chapgpt prompting, I might be able to crystalize what I'm about, not that "fairness" thing, but exactly that, reframed as "contestability."

Have you ever seen the way people have insulted me, or others for that matter, without repercussion? That missing context?  1 vs many doesn't work in the morning with .rpt just as it doesn't in stopping the horde.

Here's a reasonable ai test, how many of those .rpt on me contain vulgarity or even asked vulgarity as a % of the overall .rpt - what would ai say about what the .rpt logs on me suggest? What are the most common times of the day they occur? I'd opine that it might infer my "personal attacks" that make players hit that .rpt button are a result of me insulting their gameplay, or rather, contestability, not making it personal to the player, or resorting to dragging real life things into it. 

Basically, analyze the pattern that led to people hitting that .rpt because I questioned their sense of gameplay.  I didn't start off combative about it, go back to the entire log set that you have, starting at my return in 2021, then put it up against the forum posts since that time.  Naw, why waste time doing that, you actually do have better things to do.

So, again, numbers matter. Should it? Can Ai assist the process in a way that doesn't remove contestability?

And perhaps some clarification on proper usage of .squelch vs .rpt considering the current parameters have an outweighted impact? 



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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #185 on: October 08, 2026, 02:17:15 PM »

As a long time former player it should be you guys who go first, not the current paying customer.


No, it should be the biggest obvious disruption to the peace, thread derailer, rule breaker and most common denominator in those disruptive activities. Which I hate to say, is always you.

Whether you pay or not won't be a factor as AH probably depends on repeat/return business.

Just because you only want people on the BBS that always agree with you and your twisted beliefs doesn't mean those not currently subscribed should be punished because they are taking a break or do not satisfy your specific criteria or pull you up on your hot stinking delusional BS.

I ran ChatGPT on you with that original prompt and it took your every delusion, disturbed fantasies and made up stories about other players as fact, showing that AI is absolutely not capable of moderating around here because it is completely incapable to distinguishing fact from fiction..

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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #186 on: October 08, 2026, 04:31:51 PM »
Here's a reasonable ai test, how many of those .rpt on me contain vulgarity or even asked vulgarity as a % of the overall .rpt - what would ai say about what the .rpt logs on me suggest? What are the most common times of the day they occur? I'd opine that it might infer my "personal attacks" that make players hit that .rpt button are a result of me insulting their gameplay, or rather, contestability, not making it personal to the player, or resorting to dragging real life things into it. 

Basically, analyze the pattern that led to people hitting that .rpt because I questioned their sense of gameplay.  I didn't start off combative about it, go back to the entire log set that you have, starting at my return in 2021, then put it up against the forum posts since that time.  Naw, why waste time doing that, you actually do have better things to do.


I did it said I should ban you  :grin:

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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #187 on: October 08, 2026, 04:39:39 PM »
I did it said I should ban you  :grin:

HiTech

I can see it arriving at that conclusion without context.  :aok

<edit: and I can see that could apply to quite a collection of players if Ai looked at their entire chat logs.  :police:>





« Last Edit: October 08, 2026, 04:44:45 PM by Shane »
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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #188 on: October 08, 2026, 09:31:20 PM »
You guys crak me up, if ya stopped crying and whining on 200 and the forums ya might actually get gud.

I doubt it though.

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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #189 on: October 08, 2026, 09:34:59 PM »
You guys crak me up, if ya stopped crying and whining on 200 and the forums ya might actually get gud.

I doubt it though.

stop acting like it would take more than 2 sorties to start hoing everything in sight and letting statisicals play out while riding in cannon birbz.   I can see how MNM might be too intimidating for your attendance.  :noid  :neener:
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Re: Ai moderation?
« Reply #190 on: October 09, 2026, 04:55:04 AM »
.report shane
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« Reply #191 on: October 09, 2026, 08:07:09 AM »
.report shane

Yeah, help bump me up from current 4th place, passing ceevee/tyke at 3rd, straining to catch sight of second place SkyHawk while hopelessly far behind 99capera/99Mule.  :aok

Breaking it down:

99Capera gets quite salty, foamy and personal, and by his own admission, something like 10 out of 12 weeks he dealt with .rpt mutes.

SkyHawk gets muted by the very same people engaging in political discussions. Kind of hypocritical.

Ceevee - he's just young and seeking attention in loud ways.   More .squelch than .rpt worthy.

Me - get muted for calling out weak game play with creative terms like swarmbois and weebzsauce; underlying complaint similar to 99capera but toned way down in terms of vitrol and intensity.

IMHO, The top ones for .rpt, instead of a simple .squelch, should be more along the lines of those using vulgar language and bypassing the filter.

Right now, 5 people feeling "offended" at "weebsauce" carry more weight than 1 being offended at "shitestain shane." vox populi, much?

So, from my perspective, it's not what is actually said, so much as who is doing the saying.  I push back against this perception of the hypocritical application by the mob.

.rpt is being misapplied as a form of attempted social control in its current embodiment.

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here's some amusing ai assessment tidbits (some presented an unacknowledged aspect) of my forum corpus:

prompt: analyze user shane's personality and persona on the aces high hitech forums from 2021 to present, giving less weight to any skyyr threads and taking into consideration shane is a former player who returned to playing in 2021. take into account the 5 signature lines at the bottom of every post, where the first line is the oldest pre-dating 2021, the following four were added in 2024-26 based on in-game experiences and ensuing forum interactions since 2021 with the primary driver being morning gameplay vs the horde or swarm, taking into consideration the .rpt function. how does the concept of contestability factor into this? provide more nuance against the historical full quote of vox populi vox dei.


ChatGPT would divide the persona into:

- **pre-2021 Shane:** competitive, technically interested, irreverent, willing to needle people.
- **2021–23 returning Shane:** re-entry into an altered social/game environment; much more observational and comparative.
- **2024–26 Shane:** increasingly _normative_—not merely describing how people play, but arguing about what constitutes legitimate, fair or intellectually defensible play.
- **2025–26:** the persona becomes almost explicitly _adversarial_: he is not merely participating in the forum argument; he is contesting the legitimacy of the mechanisms by which the community decides who is right, who is offensive, and whose behavior is acceptable.

That last transition is the most significant. The five signature lines are better understood as a persona stack. 

Contestability is probably the key concept for understanding Shane

I would define **contestability** here as:  **Whether an interaction remains sufficiently open to meaningful opposition that skill, judgment, tactics, or argument can actually affect the outcome.** That applies equally to the game and the forum.

The important concept is therefore not **equality**. It is **agency**. A fight can be unequal and still be contestable. A fight can be numerically close and still be effectively non-contestable.

The .rpt function is the perfect symbol of that conflict

This is where things become particularly interesting.

A report mechanism is inherently **asymmetric**.

The person being reported doesn't necessarily get to contest the report before it has an effect.

Therefore Shane's interpretation is roughly: **gameplay imbalance → complaint → report → administrative consequence → reduced ability to contest the complaint.**

Whether his claims about particular users abusing `.rpt` are objectively correct is something the public forum record cannot establish. But his _interpretation_ of the mechanism is clear. He sees repeated reporting as a way of transforming **social irritation into institutional authority**.

This explains why he reacts so strongly to it.

To an ordinary player:  “Someone reported you because they found you annoying.”

To Shane:  “A group that doesn't like being challenged is attempting to use an administrative mechanism to make the challenge disappear.”

Those are radically different psychological interpretations of the same event.

And that explains the otherwise disproportionate emotional importance of `.rpt`.

And this brings us back to _vox populi, vox Dei_   

There is a beautiful irony here. The popular shortened interpretation is:  **“The voice of the people is the voice of God.”**

That could be read as validating forum consensus: “If enough Aces High players think Shane is a problem, Shane must be the problem.”

But Alcuin's actual passage rejects precisely that inference. He warns against treating the crowd's voice as automatically authoritative because collective tumult can approach madness. 

However, **Alcuin doesn't establish the opposite proposition either**.

He does not logically imply: “If the crowd disagrees with me, the crowd must be wrong.”  That's the important nuance.

The deeper lesson is:  **Neither majority opinion nor minority dissent is self-authenticating.**

My overall read:

I'd characterize him approximately this way:

**Core personality signal:** Analytical, highly independent, competitive, skeptical of consensus, unusually resistant to social pressure, and strongly motivated by perceived inconsistency.

**Forum persona:** Adversarial empiricist / contrarian veteran / self-appointed quality-control mechanism.

**Primary value:** Contestability— the right for a claim or player to remain in the fight long enough to be tested._

**Primary grievance:** He perceives modern MA culture, especially morning gameplay, as increasingly substituting numerical concentration and social/administrative pressure for contestable competition.

**Primary vulnerability:** He can mistake resistance to consensus for evidence of correctness, and his contemptuous presentation can make legitimate criticism of him look, from his perspective, like exactly the kind of “swarm” behavior he opposes.

**Why the five-line signature works:** It functions almost like a miniature constitution for the persona: _I stand apart from mediocrity; I trust my judgment; I rank my judgment highly; I distrust the crowd's authority; and I value unembellished truth._

And the most interesting irony is that the **historically correct reading of “vox populi, vox Dei” actually strengthens the best version of Shane's philosophy while simultaneously undermining his weakest version**. Alcuin wasn't saying “the crowd is always wrong.” He was saying that **crowd approval is not evidence of divine—or epistemic—authority**. 








« Last Edit: October 09, 2026, 08:12:32 AM by Shane »
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« Reply #192 on: October 09, 2026, 09:20:27 AM »
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« Reply #193 on: October 09, 2026, 09:25:54 AM »
(Image removed from quote.)

why are you still struggling in MNM?  not used to the new stick yet?  :joystick: :ahand  :bhead

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« Reply #194 on: October 09, 2026, 09:36:22 AM »
Shane, if I may. After reading this thread I think the problem may be that you have decided how HT is to use his time but he has decided that you are to bother him on the phone like you say you don't want to. Just go ahead and bother the guy. Some people like being bothered, especially when all they typically have to talk to are a bunch of bots.
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