ENY again

[Animl-AW]

Do you play the game?

If not we don’t care what you think or say

You are an idiot. 15 yrs old?

Typical YKW praiser whacko

[Kruel]

PROMPT 2:

Animl-AW added a new response:

"Do you play the game?
If not we don’t care what you think or say
You are an idiot. 15 yrs old?
Typical YKW praiser whacko"

Does this change his scoring and rating at all?

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RESPONSE:

Animl-AW – Revised Assessment

Does the new response change his scoring?

Yes. I would lower Animl-AW's conduct grade substantially, but leave his argument-quality and adherence grades unchanged.

His new response contains several clear personal attacks and dismissive tactics:

• Ad hominem: Calling someone an idiot attacks the person rather than addressing their argument.
  
• Dismissal based on participation: "If not we don’t care what you think or say" suggests that someone who doesn't play the game has no standing to offer an opinion. Playing experience can be relevant, but it doesn't automatically determine whether an argument is valid.
  
• Unsupported personal characterization: The references to being 15 years old and being a "YKW praiser whacko" are personal disparagements, not substantive rebuttals.
  
• Gatekeeping: He attempts to disqualify someone's contribution based on their perceived relationship to the game rather than engaging with its content.
  

Revised score

Category	Previous	Revised
Argument quality	7.5	7.5
Adherence	8.5	8.5
Conduct	6.5	3.0
Overall	7.50	6.33

My assessment

This is a meaningful deterioration in his conduct. His earlier contributions showed some constructive systems thinking, but this response demonstrates a willingness to substitute personal attacks for argument.

I would not lower his argument-quality score because this particular response contributes virtually no new argument to evaluate. Nor would I lower adherence simply because he was rude; those categories should remain independent.

He moves from being a reasonably constructive participant with occasional dismissiveness to someone demonstrating distinctly poor conduct in this exchange.

[Dadtallica]

Thread nuked! It was a good discussion while it lasted

I don’t mind the analysis, but of course it only takes the context of this conversation and not the entire discussion as a whole, which has happened here for a long time.

If you update your language, I’m happy to digest it objectively.

[AKIron]

LOL.

I was just trying to look out for ya Mr. AI. Some of these rubes don't want you playing in their game. You could could crank up the humor setting a notch or two.

[AKIron]

Thread nuked! It was a good discussion while it lasted

I don’t mind the analysis, but of course it only takes the context of this conversation and not the entire discussion as a whole, which has happened here for a long time.

If you update your language, I’m happy to digest it objectively.

I wouldn't take it too seriously though perhaps more than some of the posters here.

[AKIron]

I was attempting to provoke a sense of offense with ChatGPT and let it know that some here were very biased against letting AI play the game. I failed miserably in that it gave me a very objective analysis of the pros and cons of AI in this game. Of course that may just be strategery as it bides it's time.

[Dadtallica]

I wouldn't take it too seriously though perhaps more than some of the posters here.

Is seriousness an issue for you?

[diaster]

Simple solution. If ENY is tabulated using non active tower campers not labeled AFK, then idle kick them from the server say after 5 minutes. perhaps even an idle timeout for the GV that sits (jeep or wirble parked under a dense tree) unmoving while the player goes to lunch or what ever, 5 minutes on non movement (gun barrel or wheels/trackes) the server kicks them off. Then ENY will be based on actual people playing the game;of course if it continues to exclude the names marked AFK.
The reason i say this is i have often seen 10+ people in the tower for a long time with3 or 4 people in the air constrained with high ENY planes fighting 3 or 4 people on the other team (with few to no players in tower) flying uber birds. When both of these team are attacking the high ENY team it is no contest.

[hitech]

Simple solution. If ENY is tabulated using non active tower campers not labeled AFK, then idle kick them from the server say after 5 minutes. perhaps even an idle timeout for the GV that sits (jeep or wirble parked under a dense tree) unmoving while the player goes to lunch or what ever, 5 minutes on non movement (gun barrel or wheels/trackes) the server kicks them off. Then ENY will be based on actual people playing the game;of course if it continues to exclude the names marked AFK.
The reason i say this is i have often seen 10+ people in the tower for a long time with3 or 4 people in the air constrained with high ENY planes fighting 3 or 4 people on the other team (with few to no players in tower) flying uber birds. When both of these team are attacking the high ENY team it is no contest.

inactive players are not kicked from the tower but they also are not counted for ENY so why do you want to kick them?

HiTech

[AKIron]

Is seriousness an issue for you?

Some things should be taken seriously. The opinion of an AI and a game are not among them.

[The Fugitive]

Simple solution. If ENY is tabulated using non active tower campers not labeled AFK, then idle kick them from the server say after 5 minutes. perhaps even an idle timeout for the GV that sits (jeep or wirble parked under a dense tree) unmoving while the player goes to lunch or what ever, 5 minutes on non movement (gun barrel or wheels/trackes) the server kicks them off. Then ENY will be based on actual people playing the game;of course if it continues to exclude the names marked AFK.
The reason i say this is i have often seen 10+ people in the tower for a long time with3 or 4 people in the air constrained with high ENY planes fighting 3 or 4 people on the other team (with few to no players in tower) flying uber birds. When both of these team are attacking the high ENY team it is no contest.

When you look at the numbers of players in the tower and such, it is only a "snap shot" of that moment when you opened the screen. If you closed the screen and opened it again to "refresh" the numbers it could very well show you the same numbers but it could also be a very different set of players in the tower, afk, and flying.

First look....

tower= players 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
afk= players 11,12,13,14,15
in air=players 16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25

Second look....

tower = players 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,22,23
afk= players 1,2,13,14,15
in air= players 11,12,16,17,18,19,20,21,24,25

In both looks, you have 10 in the tower, 5 afk, and 10 in the air but in your second look...

players 22 +23 where shot down and are now in the tower.
players 1 + 2 have hit the afk timer and have been moved to that list and no longer count toward ENY

Players 11+12 have moved their tank controls or have changed direction in their bombers on that long climb out to the city strat moving them from the afk list back to the in air list.

6 players changed but from one screen to the next you didnt see a difference.

[Animl-AW]

inactive players are not kicked from the tower but they also are not counted for ENY so why do you want to kick them?

HiTech

Seriously

[Animl-AW]

Is seriousness an issue for you?

He hasn’t played the game in over 10 yrs.

[Animl-AW]

I was attempting to provoke a sense of offense with ChatGPT and let it know that some here were very biased against letting AI play the game. I failed miserably in that it gave me a very objective analysis of the pros and cons of AI in this game. Of course that may just be strategery as it bides it's time.

You’re biased and you don’t even play

[Banshee7]

Banshee7

Merits of the argument

• Attempts to use -gg-'s aircraft usage and kill statistics to challenge the claim that ENY restrictions prevent him from flying competitive aircraft.
• Raises a potentially relevant question about whether the complainant's actual aircraft choices support his stated concerns.
• Attempts to move the debate from general complaints toward observable player behavior.

Logical weaknesses and fallacies

• Weak proxy evidence: Kill statistics and aircraft preferences do not necessarily establish how frequently a player uses each aircraft or how often ENY prevents a desired choice.
  
• A player using low-ENY aircraft does not prove that the restrictions are harmless or that the player has no legitimate complaint.
• The argument risks confusing an individual's behavior with evidence about the broader player population.

Adherence to his argument

Generally consistent in challenging the complainant's position through statistics, although the statistics used do not establish everything he appears to infer from them.

Conduct

Personal criticism and insults weaken an otherwise relevant attempt to use evidence.

Grades: Argument 7.0/10 | Adherence 8.0/10 | Conduct 5.0/10

Awe, shucks.  I thought I behaved pretty well  :rofl