ENY again

[hitech]

I'm not going to go around and bad mouth Dale or the game, but I want it known how I feel about the petty attitude and outright dismissal of my concerns.

That's a classic passive-aggressive line: saying you won't bad-mouth me, then calling me petty in the same breath. That is exactly what I meant by disingenuous.

As I've pointed out before, you keep saying the same thing over and over. You don't like ENY. I get it, and I've known it forever. What's new?

Since all you say is the same thing over and over, that's why I said I'm done with you on the subject. So goodbye, and have a good life.

HiTech

[-gg-]

Like I said. The petty attitude. There it is again.

What I meant about not bad-mouthing you or the game is like going all over the place and talking crap about the game and you. Like on my forum or whatever or to other people. I haven't done that I've never done that.

And also like I said I wanted it to be known why I left. Not because I didn't get my way. It's because of your attitude. You did it to Shane as well. When Shane was talking about an issue that he cared a lot about. You told him you were done with him as well. The king! That's what I'm talking about. Your attitude is horrible. Grow up a little bit and maybe just ignore things like this and be the better man. You run a business and a game and you're losing people left and right and then you add on top of that your horrible attitude.

Get a PR person or something. You're brilliant at creating the game. It's a good game and you're very good at what you do far as creating this whole game. You're horrible on the customer front.

Have a good life. Lol.

You should look into the eny and how it affects the game. I don't even play it anymore and I still think you should look into it because it's probably in your best interest to figure out why the game has been consistently going downhill while you keep telling everybody how you know what's best for the game. It really doesn't get borne out by the facts does it?

Eny does not balance the sides. It causes people to log off and it irritates people. The game would run the same without it but you should actually run numbers because you have the ability to do that with a feature like e n y. It's not like radar or something like that that subjective. With e n y you could actually run numbers and statistics to see what happens at various levels of eny in the game and what happens with the side balancing or people logging on or off.

Hope the game works out. Kind of doubt it though.

[Dadtallica]

So the question remains what is ENY’s main purpose indiscriminate of the active population?

Is it to force side, balancing or to simply limit the options for the sides? Those are two different things.

While the balancing of sides could be a byproduct of the ENY and an anticipated feature, that does not automatically make it the function of the formula.

If the population balance is XXXX/YYY/ZZ… then X and Y should be somewhat limited proportionally and ZZ most likely should not. Then it becomes a choice of the variable. If an X or a Y or a Z is OK with whatever choice it’s given it will make do with it and participate. If it doesn’t like it, it will find whatever side it can get what it wants.

ENY, why does not make the choice it simply offers the options proportionally. With that said lower numbers, expose the weakness, and as already offered changes will be tried.

Until somebody actually defines for me it’s actual main function, everything around it is suspect to subjective perception. My view will always be that it is to balance options until otherwise convinced.

Then we can have a real conversation about side switching timers. Six hours might be too much but the preferred one to two hours might be too little somewhere between four and six might be the sweet spot given current numbers, but what if all of a sudden they increase.

Even 20 players a day in primetime would make a big difference so then we will have to start talking about going backwards…

[-gg-]

It's called side balancing. In the game it says side balancing is in effect.

Only it doesn't balance the sides. Absolutely does not balance the sides. You could take it away and the same amount of people would change countries. All it really does is irritate people that have to suffer through it until it goes away after people log off. It's detrimental to the game.

Whenever side balancing comes into effect in the game it remains until people log off. It doesn't magically balance the numbers in game. People put up with it until they wont any more than they log off. The only thing it is for the game is a negative for the people who have to deal with it and don't like it.

At the very least it should have a much lower maximum, because having half of the planes gone from your options is ridiculous.

It may have worked when the numbers were very high but it doesn't work now.

Like Dale said. 15/10/5 is bad for business. But what happens is you get 5/5/5

[Eagler]

Like I said..try just turning it off..

If a chess piece wins the map faster who really cares..
Now back to the conversation that really matters...dots are directional plane dar icons..

Eagler

[Animl-AW]

So you’re saying sounding like you sucks?

Projection, your favorite game.

When it comes to manners you have zero room.

Yep, people who have not flown the MA for 10-15 years should have no weight on it.

You guys want to turn us into your current game with AI everywhere. You are either out of touch with current players or your intensions are not sound. Both can be true.

The last thing you are is an honest broker Mr. Dox.

You are a former player of 15+ years who worked 4 yrs on having a customer removed, even using illegal ways.

Quiet clown

[Eviscerate]

Like I said. The petty attitude. There it is again.

What I meant about not bad-mouthing you or the game is like going all over the place and talking crap about the game and you. Like on my forum or whatever or to other people. I haven't done that I've never done that.

And also like I said I wanted it to be known why I left. Not because I didn't get my way. It's because of your attitude. You did it to Shane as well. When Shane was talking about an issue that he cared a lot about. You told him you were done with him as well. The king! That's what I'm talking about. Your attitude is horrible. Grow up a little bit and maybe just ignore things like this and be the better man. You run a business and a game and you're losing people left and right and then you add on top of that your horrible attitude.

Get a PR person or something. You're brilliant at creating the game. It's a good game and you're very good at what you do far as creating this whole game. You're horrible on the customer front.

Have a good life. Lol.

You should look into the eny and how it affects the game. I don't even play it anymore and I still think you should look into it because it's probably in your best interest to figure out why the game has been consistently going downhill while you keep telling everybody how you know what's best for the game. It really doesn't get borne out by the facts does it?

Eny does not balance the sides. It causes people to log off and it irritates people. The game would run the same without it but you should actually run numbers because you have the ability to do that with a feature like e n y. It's not like radar or something like that that subjective. With e n y you could actually run numbers and statistics to see what happens at various levels of eny in the game and what happens with the side balancing or people logging on or off.

Hope the game works out. Kind of doubt it though.

[The Fugitive]

It's called side balancing. In the game it says side balancing is in effect.

Only it doesn't balance the sides. Absolutely does not balance the sides. You could take it away and the same amount of people would change countries. All it really does is irritate people that have to suffer through it until it goes away after people log off. It's detrimental to the game.

Whenever side balancing comes into effect in the game it remains until people log off. It doesn't magically balance the numbers in game. People put up with it until they wont any more than they log off. The only thing it is for the game is a negative for the people who have to deal with it and don't like it.

At the very least it should have a much lower maximum, because having half of the planes gone from your options is ridiculous.

It may have worked when the numbers were very high but it doesn't work now.

Like Dale said. 15/10/5 is bad for business. But what happens is you get 5/5/5

It certainly does balance the side, as your complaining seems to point out. Your upset because you have to fly crap planes against the lower number team, even if on your front the numbers are lopsided in the other direction.

Eny is being changed, it will kick in much slower with lower numbers, and the new base capture will be added and eventually fine tuned so they one team wont be able to hammer another team down to 20% their bases forcing the team to fight the other team that they have been ignoring.

Your issue is you don't like ENY  period! It like trying to tell the designer of Chess YOU don't like how the Bishops can only move diagonally and you want it changed. It not going to happen. It is part of the rules of the game, you remember, we are playing a game here right? You suggest Hitech look at the numbers of players Eny is chasing away from the game..... I'll bet he knows exactly how many players have left or come back and the reason way for the most part, but you are just assuming, you have no facts. I would say more than half the guys in my squad moan and cry about Eny and yet, we haven't lost a single player..... funny huh?

ENY is part of the game, it works, maybe not as elegantly as most would like, players are going to complain (your taking away their favorite toys), but if you except the fact that Eny is here to stay, and adapt to the situation and play on the game is still just as much fun if not a bit more challenging.

So the question remains what is ENY’s main purpose indiscriminate of the active population?

ENY is designed balance the playing field by limiting the availability of the better equipment to the team with the larger population. Period. It has nothing to do with forcing players to switch sides to even up the numbers.

Switching sides is an OPTION to all players that feel they MUST fly a P51 even if ENY is in action due to the numbers.

[hitech]

Eny is being changed, it will kick in much slower with lower numbers, and the new base capture will be added and eventually fine tuned so they one team wont be able to hammer another team down to 20% their bases forcing the team to fight the other team that they have been ignoring.

The new system is already in effect.

HiTech

[Banshee7]

I'll be checking in from time to time to see if the ENY issue ever gets adjusted for the lower numbers. I closed my account.
I was relegated to the "I'm done with you on the subject" response and told my arguments were disingenuous.

I wish I could post the discussions the LCA have had on ENY. I'm not the only person fed up with consistently being blacked out of half the planes in the hanger so the other 4 players online on the big empty map can have a more enjoyable game experience at my expense.

I'm not going to go around and bad mouth Dale or the game, but I want it known how I feel about the petty attitude and outright dismissal of my concerns.

I want the game to succeed and I hope it gets more players and does better. I'm glad Dale is back and excited to jump back into the development and betterment of the game.

[Dadtallica]

ENY is designed balance the playing field by limiting the availability of the better equipment to the team with the larger population. Period. It has nothing to do with forcing players to switch sides to even up the numbers.

Switching sides is an OPTION to all players that feel they MUST fly a P51 even if ENY is in action due to the numbers.

I’ve been trying to explain it, but I think the words “side balancing” are apparently confusing some people. The “sides” are “balanced” not the people.

[-gg-]

Fugitive, you keep saying the same thing - that I'm just upset that I have to fly a crap plane against a low-number team. Not true.

I have been saying that the fights I get on a big empty map are never me being on the high number side. I may be on the side that has 5 or 6 more players than a country that I'm not even able to fight - they are on the other side of the map. Maybe 30 -60 total players online.

I have ENY 21-29 say and I'm fighting either even odds or being outnumbered by players who are much better than me and flying the best planes. while half the hanger is blacked out for me.

I have been saying LOW NUMBERS on and EMPTY MAP.   I am not outnumbering anyone.

I am not a "win the war" player. I am a find a fight player. I play (played) usually after 8.30 pm pacific time - and pretty much the whole time I have to play the game I'm looking at high ENY and no one is being gangbanged on the map.

I like to find a fight. I don't appreciate my hands being tied.

The other night I was flighing 3 and three  against just me, because that was the only fight I could reach on the map. I have high ENY and they didn't.

I want fair.

I don't want any advantage and I don't want anyone else at a disadvantage

Just like 18Whiskey says. He's in my squad. He is highly competitive and very good. He basically logged out every time ENY ties his hands for the SAME reason I am telling you. There might be a total number mismatch ( by not very much) and I am not even near an an area where that translates to me having a numbers advantage on the area where I am.


So night after night of this.

You guys try to simply say it's a whine because we can't fly "x" plane. It's not that. It's the fairness and it's how it actually works when the numbers are low and the map is spread out.

The new system was too low for me to see a difference. I think instead of 10, it should be more like 30 or 40. And I think it should not bite so hard at higher ENY

By zone would be good too. Or even by base.

AI planes to defend bases if that helps

I don't care about capturing bases or winning a map. I just wanted to play for a couple hours and find a fair fight. Logging in and seeing half the planes unavailable is just not fun for me. Sorry if you don't get that.


The System is called SIDE BALANCING. It's designed to coerce people into switching sides to balance the numbers. That's why we have auto side switching too.

[Wiley]

You guys try to simply say it's a whine because we can't fly "x" plane

Logging in ansd seeing half the planes unavailable is just not fun for me.

   Kind of seems that way by definition.

For the record, I think ENY doesn't do much if anything for balancing/fairness.

Wiley.

[LilMak]

I’m picking up what you’re laying down GG. And, while ENY isn’t a huge deal for me, I see your argument. The problem with ENY and a low MA population is not that it exists, but the scale at which it goes into effect.

For example (using simple numbers to illustrate a point):
100 vs 50 should hit harder than 10 vs 5. The ratios are the same but the effect is much more dramatic in the lower population. Especially since the maps are so big and the chances of people actually changing sides are much less when it’s 10 vs 5. So, while the 100 vs 50 could have a 29 ENY, the 10 vs 5 should perhaps be capped at 10 ENY if that makes sense. If your side has the 10 players and you do the right thing by not pounding one side into submission but going to the other front to seek out actual combat, perhaps you shouldn’t be flying Spit5s against Tempests?

My point is the severity of ENY should scale based on population. Lower population equals less severity until it gets so low that it goes away all together.

The other solution I’ve always proposed is ENY triggers perk cost for equipment instead of outright banning it. Current perk planes banned when triggered. But…

ENY is 30? Want to fly a P-51 with a 5 ENY? That’ll be 25 perks (30-5). The catch is, if you lose that P-51, those 25 perks go to the player that killed you…or something similar.

[-gg-]

Thank you, LilMak. That's exactly the gist of it for me. And I also think that you put it better than I did.

I obviously care a lot about the game. That's why I'm still here. I honestly think it would be better for the game because people in the game that I'm flying with..... I see how it affects them and their attitude as well.

Not being disingenuous and not being a cry baby. I honestly think that it really needs to have a good look.