Black Sea Frame 3 AAR

[Blue Mako]

412th AAR as seen through the eyes of BLUEmako, a member of the gallant Luftwaffe fighting the dreaded Russians and their Allies.  (Note:  final tally may not be 100% accurate)

The 412th launched Ju88s in a bid to crush the Allied onslaught.  We reached our combat altitude and headed towards the target area trailing another courageous Luftwaffe group.  We were diverted to our secondary target while onroute as the preceding group had smashed the primary target.  We headed for an Allied supply depot and destroyed it with high explosive bombs.  While proceeding downrange from the first run, a lone La5 managed to pick off a bomber that had wandered away from the main group due to unknown problems.  The same La5 then proceeded to attack the main force of bombers, a suicidal move!  The La5 was last seen headed down with parts missing from his plane.

Having destroyed our target, the 412th headed towards friendly territory, diverting to destroy a forward vehicle base along the way.  Having reached a friendly airfield, the bombers entered the landing pattern, just as a group of La5's came into view.  Several of our bombers were lost due to the cowadly attacks, however our gallant gunners succeeding in blotting several more of the Russian terrorists from the air in the process.

3 bombers were still in the air and by this stage desperately short of fuel.  We proceeded to a southern airbase to land and rearm in preparation for another strike.  As we taxied up to the rearming shack, another La5 was seen on the horizon.  It quickly approached the field and began to strafe our aircraft on the ground, another cowardly attack!  Fortunately two of our crews got their aircraft into the protection of the hangars and only one aircraft was lost, unfortunately the crew with it too.

Final tally for the 412th:

Primary target destroyed by another group.
Secondary target 90+% destroyed.
Forward vehicle base bombed as target of opportunity.
3 La5's killed, 2 more probable.

3 aircraft recovered safely, 1 aircraft lost due to alien abduction, 6 aircraft lost to enemy action.

[ghostdancer]

BLACK SEA FRAME 3 AAR

Nightmares VMF-101 did well tonight in the TOD all things considered. Drex joined us again and OZK and Fdutchmn also made it even though they would not. So over all Nightmares VMF-101 put up 15 pilots.
 
Nightmares VMF-101 launched out of A57 heading west and then circled back toward east. Our designate mission was to sweep A18 and D43 to the east (about 4 sectors away) to make sure the JU88s got in and hit D43. For the most part we kept good formation on our flight to A18 / D43 although we were a little strung out but everyone was in sight so it was not too bad.
 
At A18 we spotted medium alt (15K) and below La5Ns. The Arabian Knights or JG51 engaged them as well as us. And they were quickly cleaned up with no losses .. but I am not sure if we got any kills either at this point. But we did spot a at least 5 La5Ns landing to refuel and others also low around there base.
 
Previously I had I declared a hard deck of 15K for the Nightmares but I figured if we could catch them low on fuel and trying to rearm or reup that we would make mince meat out of them. At the very least we would keep them low and prevent them from getting up to alt and intercepting the the JU88s which were inbound.
 
So we dropped en masse on them. We bagged 10 kills (all La5Ns) low over A18. While losing I think 2 to AA fire (myself and I think 9Lives) and Fdutchm took a fuel hit and had to ditch later from an AA hit and we lost 4 in air to air combat with the La5Ns. So it was 10 of them for 5 of us (2 to 1 kill ratio). We also took out 4 AA guns at A18.

However,  we were running short of fuel and so I order to break off and rtb. Fortunately the AKs who had stayed high were able to cover the JU88s while they were coming in (but then again their were no high La5Ns left).
 
Originally everyone was heading to A48 to re-arm and refuel but after being tasked to sweep the A3 area next I ordered everyone to rearm and refuel at A47 instead. MrKil, Drex, Ramesis, OZK, KiDFury went there while RLD and DRGNFLY went to A48.
 
Now this is where things go interesting. We landed at A47 only to find out that there were no rearm pads at the base. The Arabian Knights and JG51 survivors also landed there and could not find the rearm pad. So basically the whole Axis offensive ground to halt as the survivors of 3 squads (Nightmares VMF-101, Arabian Knights, and JG51 .. probably around 15 planes) milled about trying to find where the non-existent rearm pad was.
 
Then 2 Yaks came screaming in and scrafed the planes milling about on the ground. I ordered people to get out of there planes and Ramesis did but OZK took a hit from one of the Yaks big 37 mm guns just before he could get out and blew up. However, MrKil, KiDFury and Drex (on vapors) got airborne again and KiDFury bagged a Yak (even though KiDFury was smoking) and Drex bagged the other Yak. Then La5Ns came screaming in but at this point all of our guys (3) at A47 were able to get out of their planes safely. Although I can't remember if Drex stayed up a little bit longer and got a La5N kill or not .. I think he did.
 
Meanwhile the survivors of the 412th (3) landed down at A3 (where a lone La5N scrafed and got one of them). DRGNFLY and RLD had rearmed at A48 which did have a rearm pad and were headed south to A8. They picked up the La5N that had scrafed the 412th at A3 and chased him back to A8. They were the last 2 Axis planes up chasing the last Russian plane.
 
Well DRGNFLY was low alt and got nailed by the AA at the A8 while high alt 88 mm AA got a lucky hit on RLD and killed him. And the lucky La5N got home.
 
So here are our stats:
 

Launched      : 15
RTB           :  4
Ditched       :  1
KIA air combat:  6
KIA AA        :  4
Kills         : 12
AA destroyed  :  4

   
And here are the individual stats for the night:
 

Drex    = 4 Kills, 3 Assists
Fdutchmn= 3 Kills
Pyroman = 2 Kills
KiDFury = 2 Kills
Concho  = 1 Kill
DRGNFLY = 2 Assists
RLD     = 1 Assist

[daddog]

Was up at 5:30 AM just to see if the BB was up and what happened last night. Enjoyed the two AAR's and looking for more.

I tried for 40 minutes to log on to fly in the TOD but my ISP was down. This morning all is well.

Sorry rip, you were short a tanker because I was not there. I do want to know how the tank battle went. Tell me more, tell me more guys...

[Sancho]

56th FG flew La5s from 18.  Personnel in attendance:

Red Flight:
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• ammo: RTB
• oblittoo: 1 Me109 damaged, RTB
• sancho: RTB
• nomde: RTB
• pollock: RTB
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No kills, no losses, only saw one 109 the whole frame.

[sax]

13th Tas launched La5<2 only> from A18 to A3.

Destroyed some minor ground targets, rtb A8

Re-arm and attack D44. Destroy buildings ect. One hanger at A3.
1 lone 109 defending, kills Beemer, killed by Sax.

Rtb A8 again, return to A3 to desrtoy hanger. Encounter 2 JU88's
on re-arm pad, strafe both, kill one.

RTB A8, encounter 2 109's, drag them into ack, both dead.

Ripsnort had a hell of a good frame

Sax

[JoeCrip]

JG51 did pretty well over all. We took off from a57 as ordered and headed to the a18 area at about 25k. As we hit the a18 area, we saw some 15k la5's. Us and the Nightmares went down lo and slaughtered em

Sovet: 3 La5's bagged
JoeCrip: Got 2
Ceprt32: 2 La5's
Everyone Else: Zip

At that point we had to RTB, at a47, only to find that there were no re-arm pads. I made a joke to sling,

"How Much did the allies pay you do do this sling?"

I repeat, it was only a JOKE. After I made the joke, i was proplemty banned from the Special events arena for 60 mins.

I hate to say it, but typical atitude of someone with banning power: "If they cant help you, ban you"

I forget who has the signature "Power corrupts" but i think that would defintally would apply here. ( iremember now, it was Preon1 )

But up intill the banning incident, i was having loads of fun. all squad who participated.

[JoeCrip]

edited

[Dinger]

A. Last I heard, AH CMs don't get comp'ed accounts.

B. There was some confusion over the rearm pad thing.  It turns out in the Black Sea terrain, they are destructible.  So when the bombers worked over 47, they killed the refueling facilities.

C. Great AARs. I'll just add what I know to the story.

The 308th lifted from 18 with 6 La5s (FunkedUp/dasko CFIT/Samm Hazed/Durr).  We were assigned to perform a high-altitude sweep of A3 before the NOE Il2 strike.  Of course, the IL2s arrived before we got there.  We were also one of many squadrons doing the same task with minimal coordination, so we spent most of our patrol time chasing each other.  Anyway, we didn't see any enemy fighters.

The 56th FG covered us as we and the 13 TAS refueled at 8 and loaded bombs.  We then headed for D44 I think.  56th and the TAS deacked it, then we came in and plastered it.  Funked ordered us to keep 100 rounds in the box in case of a contingency.  At bingo ammo we circled and reformed while a couple of Il2s chewed up what was left.
We then got a contact report of 190s on the ground at A47, so we headed that way.  At this point, Durr suffered a total failure of his primary flight controls and had to RTB on trim tabs and blip throttle.  Hazed slid into Funked's element.
Samm and I were the first element into the 47 area.  I called out traffic on the ground and Funked's element engaged.  I went after some low dots (the strafers reported a couple FWs getting off the ground); they turned out to be Ju88s.  I charged at the lead.  He turned towards me (turns out he was transitioning from base to final, but at 3000 AGL), and I sprayed into his cockpit then pulled up hard to avoid the HO -- on tape we passed within 30 yards.  He exploded.  I continued into a high-yoyo, then picked up another one heading to the field.  I slid in behind him, and squeezed off a burst into the left wing.  Parts flew off.  I squeezed again into the left wing.  The right engine started smoking.  I squeezed again.  Nothing.  I pulled up hard, taking several rounds to the fuselage, and went to cover Samm, who was finishing off another bird.  Hazed picked up my smoker and gave him a good chase, causing a fuel leak before he too ran out of ammo.
Somewhere in all this I saw dasko floating in a chute.  The rest of us RTB'd.
We landed in formation just as Durr touched down on the crossing runway.

D. So Blue Mako, here's what happened on our side:
  1) From radio reports, that La5 last seen spinning towards the ground was piloted by banana.  He lost a wingtip but landed on the runway.
  2) In the melee as you were trying to land at 47, one La5 was destroyed.
  3) We want to know, did that smoking Ju88 make it home? It looked survivable to us.

[AN]

sax:
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Re-arm and attack D44. Destroy buildings ect. One hanger at A3.
1 lone 109 defending, kills Beemer, killed by Sax.
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Must've been me in the 109.  Good to know I took at least
one of ya with me, even if I did have to resort to a blatant
headon shot to do it.

anRky

Edit:
(well, after looking at the results, I guess it wasn't me.  And
I didn't get credit for the La5 I headon'ed, darnit!  )

Another Edit:
(after looking closer, I figure it *was* me, since both of ya'll
got partial credit for my hide.  Still, it's good to know the La5
did go down, even though I must've died before he did.)

[Raubvogel]

It would be nice to know ahead of time that the rearm pads were destructible. That certainly would have influenced my plans. Thanks to all the Axis guys who did a great job until the rearm fiasco.

[ljkdern]

I was in a JU88 that tried to find the fuel pad at 47.....then Swagger and I went west to another base and found refuel pads but it wouldnt give us anything. I had a lot of fun.....but I got kind of frustrated at the end....it even gave me a ditch when I went to tower...even though I was on the runway. Oh well maybe next time things will be better.

[Nifty]

I was flight lead for the 332nd Flying Mongrels as Daddog wasn't able to connect, and Ghost was our tank volunteer.

Origin - A18
Target - A47 hangars
La-5FN, 100% fuel, 2x100kg bombs.
 
Pilots  - deSelys, TeeeRex, Vaderr, banana, Blutik (had a stick problem and couldn't fly though), Starbird, BBanzai, Imp, Sarge1 and myself.  (Ghost was our volunteer for the tank squad.)
 
We were paired up with the 457th Bomb Group led by DRILL.  We launched north, and I took a few pilots immediately to 47 to deack the field while Drill gained alt with the rest of our group and his group.  
 
We arrived at the field uneventfully, and proceeded to take out the two gun emplacements.  The timing was perfect as Drill's flight was just a few minutes out.  We had barely enough time to drop our bombs and get out of the way before the 457th came down for their runs.  Two hangars went down, and I called the Mongrels back to A18 to rearm and proceed to patrol around the depot southeast of 18.  The 457th reported that the remaining hangar went down and they RTBed as well.
 
We landed at A18 and began to get fueled up when calls of cons came in.  At least 8 Ju88s (I believe there were more) and at least 12 FW190s showed up (again, I believe there were MORE than 12 190s.)  We got in the air, and climbed north before being overtaken by a flight of higher fighters.  We turned back to the south, and waited.  Eventually, the 190s came down and we began evading, trying desperately to get a shot while calling for each other to break.  One by one we went down, managing only a few hits on the enemy.  I think Star reported one down, and Vaderr too.  I'm not sure.  Eventually, only banana remained and he mangaged to separate from the 190s.    The 457th faired no better, and lost their entire squad.
 
banana managed to corral 8 Ju88's and attacked them.  He took one out, at the expense of most of his right wing.  He RTBed to A45, where he was helped in by the friendly control tower staff.  
 
All in all, we lost ALL but 1 La5, and managed maybe 3 air to air kills, and 3 hangars down (jointly with the 457th.)
 
Not a good showing for our 2nd half, but we got the initial job done, and done well!   all.  We didn't have much of a chance with those 190s above us like that.
 
Ghost will have to fill you in on the tanking, though it sounds like our tankers mopped the floor with them!     ghost!

[Sling]

Joe you and your little buddy Soviet need to think a little harder to exactly what was being said Friday night in the event.  I didnt know that the rearm pads were destructible untill I checked the logs later in the event and found this out.  I also dont know ahead of time what the objectives are for each side.  That was why I was asking Raub if 47 was on his target list.  My thinking was that if it wasnt part of his list then it is his own fault for trying to use it when it doesnt have re-arm capabilities...especially if he didnt check it out ahead of time.

 As soon as I found out that it was one of his objectives, I started trying to figure out why it didnt have re-arm pads.  In my research, I checked the logs and saw that they were destroyed in the Allies first attack.  I explained this in the arena to those who were still around.  As I also explained in the arena, I dont design the maps....I had no idea this was going to happen.

As far as you getting ejected Joe....yes I did eject you.  Your first comments were taken as a joke, but to continue to berate the map designers and the CM team in my opinion was unacceptable.  As I explained to Soviet last nite while he was fighting your battle for you in the MA, if Daddog or banana had been there you would have been gone a lot sooner than when I kicked you.

[Soviet]

Originally posted by Sling
Joe you and your little buddy Soviet need to think a little harder to exactly what was being said Friday night in the event.  I didnt know that the rearm pads were destructible untill I checked the logs later in the event and found this out.  I also dont know ahead of time what the objectives are for each side.  That was why I was asking Raub if 47 was on his target list.  My thinking was that if it wasnt part of his list then it is his own fault for trying to use it when it doesnt have re-arm capabilities...especially if he didnt check it out ahead of time.

 As soon as I found out that it was one of his objectives, I started trying to figure out why it didnt have re-arm pads.  In my research, I checked the logs and saw that they were destroyed in the Allies first attack.  I explained this in the arena to those who were still around.  As I also explained in the arena, I dont design the maps....I had no idea this was going to happen.

As far as you getting ejected Joe....yes I did eject you.  Your first comments were taken as a joke, but to continue to berate the map designers and the CM team in my opinion was unacceptable.  As I explained to Soviet last nite while he was fighting your battle for you in the MA, if Daddog or banana had been there you would have been gone a lot sooner than when I kicked you.

listen, he only said it once as a joke, i don't know where your coming up with these figures of multiple offensive remarks.

And the fact that you didn't know that the rearm pads were destructible amazes me, you are a CM after all.  You should have let us re up for a fault on your part.

[Sling]

Whatever Soviet....I am not going to argue with you about what you saw and felt was happening and what I saw.  

In most terrains, the re-arm pads are not destroyable as far as I know.  How would you expect me to know that they were on this terrain since the subject has never come up before?  Like I said during the event....I dont design the terrains, I just do the setup for Friday nights.  I had no idea that you could even make re-arm pads destructable....now if that means I am not qualified to be a CM then that is your opinion.  To tell you the truth, right now I am trying to decide if its worth it enough to put up with the amount of grief that I have had to listen to over this incident.