38 very tight turning :)

[batdog]

Good info here.  

xBAT

[akak]

Is he talking about the "sweat" spot on the P-38?  I know in AW it was 1 notch of flaps at 175knots and you could out turn almost any plane but the rice burners.  It appears to be the same in here but you've got to jockey the throttle to maintain cornering speed and it only last about 1-2 turns, 3 if you're lucky.


ack-ack

[Tjay]

Originally posted by Hangtime
i could be wrong..

Never seen that in here before. People getting soft? Or wise maybe? A Confucious say: If you are never wrong, you can't learn anything. So be damn sure about it.

[K West]

" power back, reef it in tight, get those Fowlers out and wait for the knuckleheads to take the bait."

HEY! That was my M.O!!  Worked most often too.

 Westy

[Tac]

*grin*

And you have yet to see how easy a 38 stall fights at 25k and above. Especially against them 152's that think their waffletech lets them turn tighter than I can mwahahaha.

[BigCrate]

This is what I'm talking about.  And a 38 driver invented it



The cloverleaf was a horizontal maneuver that took advantage of the P-38's
exceptionally gentle stall characteristics.  It was a low-speed maneuver.  The
pilot would tighten his turn until he actually stalled out, ease off and let
the plane unstall itself, then tighten back up into a stall, ease up....
Viewed from above, the pattern the airplane flew through the air looked
something like a cloverleaf, and this simile was used in teaching the maneuver.
 No  German fighter could stay with the P-38 in a turn.
Of course, this manuever was useless against Japanese fighters like the Ki-43
and Zero, because they stalled out something like 30 mph slower than the best
theP-38 could do.

[Terror]

I have no fear of the P38 when I am in my F4U-1.  It is usually easy meat for me.  Actually I prefer hosing a P38 to any other plane in AH.  I just enjoy seeing it explode under my 50cals.

Terror

[Apar]

anything can out turn a 109 geeshhhh

You will be surprised how good you can stall fight in a 109G2

[SLO]

low and slow 38's stall or no stall speed...against spit5 or 9.....5 second's to kill it(done it many times)....38 ain't even close to spit when it comes to turns sorry...stall or no stall....only zeke's and very good n1ki' drivers can hold against spits

SLO
4 WING =441 Silver fox=

[BigCrate]

hehehehehe SLO I hate to burst your dweebfire bubble. But 38 drivers are some of the best pilots around in AH today.. And were the best pilots in WW2. SLO read what is below and you will see.
And SLO I suck in 38 but I flew it for awhile on AW.. and she is my baby and no body bad months my baby ear!



During the late winter of 1944 ocurred the famous dual between a
Griffon-engined Spitfire XV and a P-38H of the 364FG.  Col. Lowell few the
P-38, engaging the Spitfire at 5,000 ft. in a head-on pass.  Lowell was
able to get on the Spitfire's tail and stay there no matter what the
Spitfire pilot did.  Although the Spitfire could execute a tighter turning
circle than the P-38, Lowell was able to use the P-38's excellent stall
characteristics to repeatedly pull inside the Spit's turn radius and ride
the stall, then back off outside the Spit's turn, pick up speed and cut
back in again in what he called a "cloverleaf" maneuver.  After 20 minutes
of this, at 1,000 ft. altitude, the Spit tried a Spit-S (at a 30-degree
angle, not vertically down).  Lowell stayed with the Spit through the
maneuver, although his P-38 almost hit the ground.  After that the
Spitfire pilot broke off the engagement and flew home.  This contest was
witnessed by 75 pilots on the ground.

Cw

[Widewing]

Originally posted by SLO
low and slow 38's stall or no stall speed...against spit5 or 9.....5 second's to kill it(done it many times)....38 ain't even close to spit when it comes to turns sorry...stall or no stall....only zeke's and very good n1ki' drivers can hold against spits

SLO
4 WING =441 Silver fox=

Obviously, you have not encountered a hot P-38 Jock like Tac or Westy yet. When you do, be prepared for a valuable, albeit short, lesson on the capabilities of the P-38L. Unfortunately (or 'fortunately' depending on what you're flying), most of those who fly the P-38 have little idea how to extract full performance, or best utilize its capabilities.

As a frequent user of Spitfires, and having fought the very best Spitfire pilots to be found in the MA, I am fully aware of the little fighter's capabilities. So, rest assured that you cannot make any mistakes with guys like those mentioned above. You will die.

While you're out there, watch out for Ki-61s too. They're killing Spits and Seafire at a rate of 2.27:1. Of the two Rooks I know of who are flying the Ki-61 on a regular basis in the MA, these two have 11 kills for no deaths against them (7 and 4 respectively) early in the current tour, as well as several assists. So, if you fly with the Rookies, you can breathe a sigh of relief. Tac hangs with the Knits.

My regards,

Widewing

[BigCrate]

heheheheheh well put WideWing!

Cw

[Tac]

I fly Bish Widewing

Believe it or not, the ONE plane that gives me the most trouble is the SpitIX. You just dont have any chance against it unless you're on the deck. The little toejams *wink* outdive and out-E and can catch the 38 in a climb... and can turn 180 and catch it with a shallow dive.

Once HTC adds the PILOT into the equation, them spitdweebs wont be able to turn for 5 minutes pulling 7g's the whole time.

MWahahahahaha.

[SLO]

lol some1 got his panties into a bundle...38's suck big time, TAC or no TAC...he has died by my spit.... BTW why would you wanna fly something with such a big bellybutton

BTW...who was the spit driver in your story....you seem fixated on 38 so thats o.k.....but your 38 driver woulda lasted 5 secondes(lol) against BUZZ BEURLIN's spit my friend. He has the most kills for allies in the shortest time ....and the only pilot to shot down some1 with the shortest amount of ammo ...we can all find funny stories if we look very hard. But I still say it was the driver not the plane that counted. thx for the good laugh.

SLO
4WING =441 Silver Fox=

[MANDOBLE]

Once HTC adds the PILOT into the equation, them spitdweebs wont be able to turn for 5 minutes pulling 7g's the whole time.[/QUOTE]

Beware Tac, some sensible spittard defenders may get "hysterical" reading evidences like that