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[Tumor]

Originally posted by mrfish
why the venom?

because religions f's up the whole world and shut peoples heads off and its irritating.

heres the patent response for that of course: religion doesnt make problems people do and when everyone accpets jesus everlovin grace everything will be ok....

right?

everytime i turn on the tv and see people holding hands and swaying and having a 'religiogasm' all i can think is what a bunch of weakminded losers.

it is a cheap drug for poor uneducated superstitious people and nothing more.

go anywhere in the world where people have nothing and are miserable and they will always turn to religion. they dont have a pot to piss in but they --->bought<--- a picture of the pope and hung it on the wall.

they got 11 kids running around because they are afraid to go to hell for using birth control but the pope sits back on a golden throne with a million servants.

its hipocritcal and useless. everytime you confront a christian they roll their eyes back in their head and start chanting the same old nonsense - big wafty sayings about god's grace.

it is a cheap escape for people who cant stomach the truth.

keep your fantasies i'd like a safe world some day - one without the murderous compulsions brought on by religion.

  I'll take a group of just about any religion over a single person with such a vile view of other's any day.  At least they are NICE! (and please don't point me at extremists).  This is just as bad an attitude as any racist view on the planet.  But it's ok to hate religion because religion teaches nothing but hate, chaos and intolerance...right?  Nice mfish real nice.

[Kieran]

Don't confuse the fact I won't befriend a gay to mean I hate them, I don't. I will treat them as any other human being. What I cannot do is surround myself with people whose lifestyles I strongly disagree with. We fundamentally teach our children the same thing, right?

I wouldn't stand by and let anyone helpless be abused, regardless of how I felt about them.

[Kieran]

If you had to be trapped for five years on a desert island with either an aggressive homosexual or a Jehova's Witness, which would you choose?

[mrfish]

thats a tough one err....ummmmm.....is the homo a mormon?

[mrsid2]

I had a friend who was Jehova's Witness..

He was a nice guy, seemed ordinary except maybe for his music taste (KISS, showing satanic symbols with his fingers..) But otherwise quite mellow and nice guy.

Then he started preaching about his religion, sent us audio tapes of thier version of the bible etc.. I protested to this and started my own religion (we were lower grade school back then..)

I named it Simowah's Witnesses (My first name really is Simo) and I immediately got 2 followers from the class.. LOL.

He later told me how dangerous it is to play with such things, for he has seen his mother and father doing exorcist trips to haunted neighbourhoods.. He claimed with a serious face that this haunted house had cups and dishes flying in the air - paranormal activity and his mother removed the evil spirits with the power of God. I had to slap myself to make sure I was still awake and not dreaming.. I realised that the parents had totally brainwashed these kids, feeding them all kinds of horror stories. Completely disgusting.

We have to keep in mind that there aren't any proven paranormal confrontations untill this date, even with the $10 000 prize money the scheptic society will award to the person who first proves a paranormal incidence in a controlled non-cheatable enviroment.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Kieran
If you had to be trapped for five years on a desert island with either an aggressive homosexual or a Jehova's Witness, which would you choose?

  I'd have to go with homosexual hahahah.  I've had plenty of visits by JW's and oh man.  In the setting you offer I'm sure nothing short of mild violence would be required for 10 minutes peace and quiet.

[ra]

Sorry to hijack this thread back to the original topic.

Creationism and evolution are both irrational, but at least creationists don't pretend to be rational, anything that flies in the face of scientific fact is simply a matter of faith.

Evolutionists use natural selection to explain way to much about the life we see around us.  Just take a sterile planet, move a star close enough, but not too close, and voila: life.  What a crock.
There is no way random events will cause chemicals to arange themselves into increasingly complex forms.  The simplest life form is infinitely more complex than any machine man can build.

If life was just a matter of mixing the right chemicals with the right amount of energy it could be duplicated in a lab.  But not only can it not be done, there's not even a theory on how it could be done.  We are supposed to believe that the chemical forumula which triggers spontaneous life has eluded us for now.

Not to mention that the fossil record offers no support for evolution at all.

People who believe in evolution simply don't want to admit that we don't know how life came into being, or why it is so varied. Which is why these kind of discussions quickly turn into rantings about how ignorant religion is.  As though atheists have been the true source of man's progress through the ages.

ra

[Sandman]

Originally posted by ra
Not to mention that the fossil record offers no support for evolution at all.
ra

Huh?

[Toad]

Kieran:  He is also stating many of our protagonists for advancement were knowledgeable of religion, and by all appearances it didn't cripple their ability to advance civilization.

Thanks, Kieran. The whole thing was spot on, this is the salient point.

Target, that's it. That's what I'm saying.

"It just don't matter."

All of mankind's strife, killing, abuse, stupidity, sorrow, etc., in the world since the beginning of time... related to religion as well as that totally UNRELATED to religion...

and here we still are. Plodding along into the future, making progress all the time.

Teaching or not teaching Creationism in US schools isn't going to make much difference, if any at all.

Tempest in a teapot. Laugh and press on with your life.


"And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should."

Bet you like that one, eh?  

[pimpjoe]

you people have entirely too much time on your hands:)

[mrsid2]

'If life was just a matter of mixing the right chemicals with the right amount of energy it could be duplicated in a lab.'

Actually the scientists have proven that given the circumstances they suspect earth had before life started, molecules start interacting in a way which could evolve to a simple form of organic life.. The problem naturally is that no scientist has 10-20 billion year cycles to test this theory on a testing bowl.

One other theory is that life was originally brought to earth from a meteor. They've found traces of bacteria from meteors that they dug from the north pole ice.

How would creationism explain the fossils anyway? Or oil that we burn every day. Or the natural gas you use for cooking.

[Kieran]

The only trouble with going with the meteor theory is it only replaces the question of, "How did life start here" with, "How did life start there?"

[Creamo]

Ah come on, you guys are getting pummeled by Mr.Fish. I'm Methodist, and believe in the dude upstairs. Your not supposed to let these guys that are going straight to hell whip us so badly.

"still primative after all these years. a bunch of cowering hairless apes worried that an invisible man is watching them from space...thats hilarious

That's pretty funny.


I never was impressed by atheists as a whole, as they kinda seemed just like the rest of us, but weren't clever enough to try and explain why were all here, and hopeless enough to not have any faith at all.

Regardless, this reminds me of FM and weapon lethality threads. Just AH players slapping eachother around about more things they can't prove or accurately back up...

and earns this thread, a Miguel's approval.  

 


(excuse my spelling, I was pry praying in school during that class, or more probable, haven't reloaded WORD after my last reformat)

[ra]

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This pretty well sums up evolution theory.  It's rationalistic faith instead of religious faith.  "We could create life from sterile chemicals in our lab if we had 20 billion years.  Trust us, we're scientists, we don't have your simple human failings."


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In my case, I don't care as I am quite comfortable acknowledging that I don't have a clue how life came into existence.  Evolutionists bug me because they claim to know, yet they only offer vague theories and cool artist's renditions to support their theory.  Evolution theory has become the new dogma, not a sign of enlightenment.  The emperor has no clothes.

ra

[mrfish]

except, creamer, atheists say their isn't a god. that's just as silly as saying there is a god - no one knows like you said. however i suspect the gods we have to choose from in this century are just imagined vapors like the gods of every other century...

i'm an agnostic which means i don't really care if there is or isn't a god because either way he's totally irrelevant to my life here on earth.

and you dont have to believe in god to have "faith" i have plenty of faith that once we come out of the dark ages of religion and magic and superstition we can all live happily together on earth.

religion is just a huge monkey wrench in the cogs of progress and gives people one more reason to go at each other.

if you are a christian then you cant rest til everyone is a christian - if you are a moslem everyone is an infidel and you have to wear some stupid hat - if you are a jew then you are chosen and everyone else is schmutz....so on and so on...

you will all never agree on which fairey tale so why not just rely on yourselves? can you be moral without the threat of consequences or does daddy still need to hold yer hand and threaten you with hell? can't you just do the right thing without being told how to think? guess not...most of you are only religious because you were threatened with hell as children and are stil scared.

now here's some smileys creamster: drink!