Sorry to hear an AH pilot can't read

[SmooMonster]

I thought I was just having a chat - initially, I was replying to false assertions and assumptions but now I'm shooting the breeze. If you think it's preaching then....

Now...where can I get a flame-grilled Big Mac at this time of night...?

[Dawvgrid]

You have to preach a little harder,before i take an 8 hour download;) ,,,,, i like the screenshots,but the terrain looks,,,well
not as good as AH.

[K West]

"false assertions and assumptions"

 Heh. In the "old" days we use to call that "opinion." Although opinions aren't false. If they were then you call them a lie and the speaker a lier.

 FWIW, I downloaded last week the latest beta and tried it. Uninstalled it soon after too. I also browsed the community on the VR1 public beta news group. Instead of running down a long list of things I did not like, about either, I'll just say that I pray that FA stays in business. For imo it does serve a usefull purpose and it's one that only became quite apparant to me after AW closed down.

 AH and FA serve different ends of the wwii aircombat spectrums and imo that is the way it should stay.

 And my apology for being semi-rude. Stay as long as you wish! ...Preaching.... watermelon chatting... When the subject is about different products and the reason for being here in the first place is opinion changing and swaying then call it whatever one wishes for it's all the same.

 Heck!  Sometimes it was the missionaries that were converted (or eaten after being boiled)

 Westy

[straffo]

Originally posted by SmooMonster

The second one is bloody awful. What hell is that? It looks like a ship sinking (where's the steam, fire and smoke - you do HAVE steam fire and smoke and air bubbles and waves and ship wakes don't you?), but what is the ugly stuff in the foreground????

Your missing the obvious ...
Do you see all thoses whales breathing near the sinking CV ?


Obviously this thread has turned as a "dick" measurement competion ...

And frankly who cares of FA or AH ?
We are going were there is fun ,competion and friendship...

Even quake can be fun ...

[SmooMonster]

Whales? Pah! We've got SHARKS, dammit! Now THEY are fighters...

[craigr]

Originally posted by SmooMonster
No, I just like to have fun flying WWII planes on a PC.

That kinda stuff doesn't come under that heading, but I can understand why some people might want to do that.

I would think those people might enjoy a game like WWIIOnline more though instead of a flight sim where ostensibly people are supposed to have fun flying WWII planes on a PC.

That kinda "stuff" is in AH because the players asked for it...AH is predominatly a flight sim with ground action, WWIIOnline is primarily a ground sim (read: tank) with some air action thrown in. I must admit I'm glad someone other than MS is now developing FA, a question tho...does FA have the ability to add ground action?

At any rate, if there is improvemnet in FA, it makes all flight sims better for it

I'm comfortable in AH (even if I am a crappy pilet) but I will no doubt have a look at FA once the new version gets released.

Hope you FA guys do well, it serves us all well...

DmdBgm

[Udie at Work]

I got a big zit on my forehead.  So big I've already popped it twice and am patiently waiting the 3rd popping.  Ya know both time I popped that sucker the crap that squirted out onto my mirror was better looking than anything I ever saw from FA  Which is only slightly worse that seeing this thread in our O'club.  


 If I wanted to see some crap like this I'd subscribe to the gay channel or something.  Move along!

[SmooMonster]

Curiously enough, I've flushed away better flames than yours, Udie.

And you show a disturbing knowledge of the gay channel's content...

[AoA_WindDancer]

Hello:
I am very familiar with the cause of this thread. The post that I found in the VR1FAIII news group came from a squad mate of mine. This post was contained in an email to the AoA Squad of FA fame and also an email went out to the TigerSquadron of FA.  Unfortunately an member of the Tiger Squadron thought he should take this internal squad email and post it in the VR1 FAIII news group.   That is what started this entire mess.

My squad mate flies in AH now with the rest of my squad mates who all use to fly in FA1.5 and left when MS screwed up the realistic flight model in FA2.5  He like the AH game better as his email states. He didn't intend for his email to appear in a public forum.  My squad mate was able to test out FAIII beta as he was given a user name and pw from one of the other guys in our squad so that he could try out the FAIII beta and see for himself what the game was like.  You must remember that FAIII is still in beta and that it's changing every min as the programmers madly tweak and change it for the better.  The damage modeling is still not finished and you can only damage the main componets right now so that the dev can test the planes major componets like wings for stresses etc. They have the flap, aileron, elevator and such hit boxed turned off right now but they will have those hit boxes turn on in the later versions.   FAIII is a game for everyone who wants to virtually play like they are flying these old WWII bird.  Those newbies that don't know anything about airplane can have some fun in the arcade rooms and then later move on to the intermediate rooms and then finally they can move on to the more advanced rooms with 3Dcockpit views and stall spins etc.

FAIII only really looks good (graphically) when you you play with hardware that is up to date  ie DX8.1 hardware support.  When you play the game with a Geforce3 card you will see the graphics in much better light.  I have another two squad mates that both left FA 2 for AH and they have voodoo3 chip based video cards and they can't see the nice graphic in FAIII since FAIII does not support the voodoo3 chip based cards and the these guys see all kinds of wierd graphic glitches in the FAIII game right now.  Maybe VR1 will be able to support these legacy cards and maybe now.  Many guys were forced to stop playing FA 1.5 when FA 2.0 came out and had higher computer specs requirements.  That happens and time marches on and hardware gets faster and better allowing more complex programs.

I really am sorry that this entire thread started and I do appologize to the AH guys for this mishap.  



Bottom line is that I think that each game has it's good points.  

I think that if FA 1.0 were never developed that everyone would still be paying $2.00 per hour to play WarBirds.  Think about that when you pay your credit card bill this month you may want to  thank God for competition.  Now AH costs 15 bucks per month and WB is down to $25 per month.  Thank MS for that guys as if not for FA 1.0,  FA 1.5 and FA 2.0 the cost for online flightsim gaming would not have fallen down to where it is today.  Each game has improved over the years and we the customer have a better gaming value due to good old competition.

My entire squad Aces of America left FA 2.5 due to the mismanagement of the game by  Microshaft.  Sorry Bill but you guys cared more about talking about fish than pleasing the customers.

VR1 has always been a great company, but they were under the thumb of MS. That is no longer the case now and it shows. VR1 has been so response to the customers, that they are going to rewrite the book on customer relations. BTW VR1 is owned by a Japanese company and is headquarted in Boulder CO with offices in Canada, Japan and even Russia.  I have heard them say that they might even put servers in Europe and overseas someday to get more international customers.  

I won't tell you that AH or WB or FA III is better or worse than any other game. Only you can make up your mind which sim you prefer.  We each have our likes and dislikes.  

I hope that AH flurishes and prospers and that you all have fun.  After all that is what we fly and play for. We just want to have some fun and get away from the everyday chores of life.

Smoo it's time to come home mate.   Bring vig with you.    

Have a great day guys and I hope your kill to death rations get better.


AoA_WindDancer AKA _65Moose1am or just Moose.


BTW it was TS_Hiarch that started this mess by posting my squad mates email in the FA III news group.  I just thought that everyone should know the source of this mess.

[Vigilante]

They are adding offline planes for targeting soon, & the guns are still needing damage percentile tweaks. Everything is being refined for hardware compatability right now.

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by Vigilante
They are adding offline planes for targeting soon, & the guns are still needing>>>damage percentile[/I][/U]<<< tweaks. Everything is being refined for hardware compatability right now.

 Nuff said

[midnight Target]

Never saw the thread bagging on FA, but I will never go there simply because of this tasteless advertisement couched in the form of a post. (Intolerant of me?)

Paaaleeeez.

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Never saw the thread bagging on FA, but I will never go there simply because of this tasteless advertisement couched in the form of a post. (Intolerant of me?)

Paaaleeeez.

 You stupid ignorant leftist pinko commie liberal.  Let me tell you how to think!  er... what I think!  

What were we talking about?

[Wilbus]

I just tried FA3, downloaded latest version and played it.

I LOVE IT!!.............. NOOOOOOT!

Seriously, first time, openened a little game by my self, offline mode, realism on 100% on everything, graphics 800x600 32bit mode etc etc. Took a P51, taxied out on runway with throttle opened up at 30%, rudder hardly gave any input to turn with. Fired my guns just to try it and a little nice window popped up with a little nice bug in it. Ok, tried to restrt, didn't work, had to reinstall (wich takes some time), same thing, did this some more and after the third reinstall i succeeded to get it to work. Started trying out different planes starting in the air.

Dora, 109 K4, A20, Do219 and so on.

First one up was the K4, wich btw, never flew with the MK103, it was the MK108. No 109 was equiped with a hub mounted Mk103, much due to its size, (bout 145kg) compared to about 50kg with the Mk108.  Tried stall etc, plane started shaking when the stall ocured, wich would have been a nice feuture had it been realistic looking and feeling, I fly in R/L So I know what a stall and spin should feel like and that was nowhere near it.

Overall FM in there was VERY BAD and the Dammage Percentege is still there wich is allso VERY BAD. The Cockpits, although hi res looked like something from and old 1990's game with (only with HI RES) and it only gave me an impression of playing an arcadish game. The Graphics on the wings and everything else when looking from the cockpit looked really childish nad much too "short".

The planes from outside view looked pretty damn nice though, specially the reflections in the hud.

Something that almost made me laugh my guts out however, was the size of the 109K4 cockpit. Sorry to say, but even a pilot who know very little about 109's know that the 109 had one of the most cramped cockpits of all planes during the war. Here it is HUGE, bout 3 times as big as the one in the Dora. The pilot in it could litteraly lay down without trouble (was it a very short midget pilot?).

One nice thing was that when going straight up, shutting down engine, you could make nice tail slides/glides and fall on your back.

My overall score of this Arcade game (just nothing but an arcade game) would be about  out of 10. I don't see how anyone, in any way could actually compare it to products such as Aces High or IL2 Sturmovik.

Sure, there are 80 planes in there, but what fun is that when all physics is SOO BAD???

[Ripsnort]

My 6 yr. old has FA3 loaded on his HD, he likes it.  It doesn't have the steep learning curves that AH has though he does play both. Totally agree with your assessment on the FM and damage model, though I admit I didn't spend all that much time online (Guess I'm spoiled by AH) BTW, I did this last June, was this FA2 or FA3?