organization ruining the MA.

[Am0n]

Originally posted by hazed-
oh i forgot, laz is too selfish to enjoy any form of cooperation right?

With all due respect hazed, you are very incorrect in that statement.

Ive "had it out" with lazs quiet a few times.. name calling, smack talking to say the least. but i can tell you if your in trouble and he or his squadies that i know of are near you are getting a 6 clear from them, or ATLEAST a 6 call. Which is more than i can say for 90% of the people playing in the MA.

[Rude]

Lazs.....

Ya know, I read what you write and wonder how you come to some of your conclusions.

Folks who drive late war, fast aircraft(51's, 47's, La7's), in some way have no right to not only fly those aircraft, but fly them as they themselves choose to fly them, wherever they want to fly them

Another observation is the fact that you would call the CT guys elitests, while adopting an early war, how dare you ruin my fun, elitest attitude yourself.

Here is my take....

I fly the way I want to fly....do not care what anyone thinks about it.....kill as many enemy aircraft as possible(including early war aircraft).....and will continue to do this until the Good Lord takes me away or I just get bored and do something else with my time.

Now, I really do hope that HTC can design this product in a way which meets the majority of players fashions. It will only strengthen a sim which selfishly I hope will continue to grow. They are not far off as it is....it is always a MINORITY of players who are dissatisfied....can't make everyone happy kinda thing applies here as well as real life.

I guess what is most amusing to me, is that while you can find fault with how others play this game and openly criticize them in this forum, I , nor anyone else I know, ever gives a thought to you or anyones else for that matter, in reference to how you or they might choose to to enjoy themselves.

The fact that you have ideas for gameplay and express them in this forum is great....like I previously had said, I hope everyone has fun and this product grows in a direction suitable to the masses. However, to malign others who do not agree with you, well, in my opinion, ain't a good thing.

I don't know you...never met you....yet I bet you enjoy yourself flying this sim just like I do. You probably work hard and welcome the chance to just be a kid for a few hours like myself. Why not just relax and let HTC do their thing...I have a feeling that the feel of the MA will soon change for the better of us all and you and I will have had little to do with the direction which HTC has chosen to take.

In closing, you should come look me and mine up next time online...I think you will be pleasantly suprised at where you find us and how we chose to fight you:)

Cyas Up!

[Gremlin]

Like this thread needs another post

One obvious conclusion which I havent seen addressed in this thread is just the plai ol size of the arena, we need a bigger map period.  Then everyone gets what they want.  Also terrains like mindanao need to be consigned to the archives forever.  What a waste over half the map is taken up by useless sea where no-one ever goes except, altmonkey buffs!



Gremlin.

[lazs2]

rude... i don't know how you reach your conclussions about what I want or what I am doing from reading (if you are indeed reading) what I post.    Just to clarify one of your points... I do not think that you should not be allowed to fly P51's.   I do feel tho that people who would fly early and mid war planes deserve to be protected from you if they desire....  An area arena would allow you to fly 51's 24/7 but.... only in the late war area against other late war planes of relatively equal ability.    an early war plane could still up in the late war area if he wished.... I'm sure late war guys would not object?     You simply could not spoil the early war guys chance at having a good time online for an hour or so after a hard days work.    If you wanted to fly in the early war area then yu would have to fly one of the early war planes just like everyone else.    I don't see how yu would have a problem with that.   You must admit that it is a bit of an embarassment to see 51's and lag7 and D9's competing with lesser planes.    

I myself feel the -1a that I fly is far superior to say a 202 or a zeke or a few others but it is at least a "medciocre" plane.   Most of my kills are against superior ac and for fun I mix it up with the better turn and burn rides in their own invoronment...   Later planes are not really capable (at least in my hands) of doing that...   I would not mind flying it in a mid war only area.    I would love to fly a p40 or f4f in an early area.   I don't have much use for a late war area but I would like to fly a -4 against 51's and such on occassion.

Right now it's anything goes and..... the further the fields are apart the more lopsided the late war advantage is.   Most who advocate blindness and boredom are late war afficianados or luftweenies... They can't turn so they want to negate that advantage.   closer fields would just allow the current arenas plane choices to be viable a bit longer.... A quick fix.. but.... nothing will save the setup we have if we want early war planes short of an area arena or arenas that are "toggle", no "leave one arena and restart in another"   simply toggle the maps, click any arena's (early, mid or late war) field and bam!  you are there.

The alternative is RPS and I know that is more repugnent to a lot of people.    Mustangs 4 days a month?   Seperate arenas don't work...   Well... maybe they would if they were seamless like the "toggle" idea but other than that...   I know you're smart enough to see the ded end that anything goes is and how the perk system has just painted the planeset into a corner so far as early war planes are concerned.   I also know that you are smart enough to see the inherent (built in) unfairness of mustangs against early and mid war planes.    Apples and Oranges... Great for a fruit salad but piss poor for a game.
lazs

[Grimm]

Starting with the topic of this thread.   Sorry to here some dont like organisation in the MA.   Its there and its going to be hard to stop.   I guess to stop it, you must remove Radios, Check 6, and broadcast static on Voice coms.  ;D

Yes the Rooks are more organised,  You want to blame somebody for this, Blame me,  Blame GunrCAF, Blame BFD, Blame GhostDancer and many of the Rook Squad Guys.   This Goes back a couple years ago, on that evil AW Sim.   I started running Joint Ops then, I invited many to join in, We got organised and formed some great friendships.  

Enter AH,  Well, Many of the Organised squads landed in Rook-ville and Gunner, Myself (GrimmCAF), BDF started working again along these lines.  GhostDancer was right there also.  Yes there are others too, with many great contributions. Im sorry but I cant list everyone.  

We had strong contacts with former great AW Squads, and It was easy to get things rolling.  Many of the fantasic AH squads began to help us also, bringing things along.  The brith of the RJO.

On to the Situation of Capture.  
Perhaps, hardening or softening Targets isnt the way to go.  I suggest, we examine once again Bombers.  Perhaps they are too acurate.  Maybe they need to be less acurate but have increase Bomb blast damage.    I think the Map room in the Town is a good situation, but perhaps its the towns that need to be Hardened.

As for Maps.
The Maps do have a big effect on gameplay.  Perhaps a map needs to be created with certain areas, with many tightly grouped airfeilds.   These Areas are going to be difficult to take if defended.   I dont know if making all the feilds closeris the answer, but its worth looking at.   Still, This is something that can be worked on.

Lastly the Main Arena is setup for landgrabbing.  The primary objective is to Win the War.   So why be surprized when Ganging, Landgrabbing and organise happen.  Its a result of the Game.  
If you want the MA to become Furballing,  Simply remove all Strat and capture.  Perhaps a small fighter area in the center that cant be captured might be better.    

Rook and dang proud of it!

[Buzzbait]

Lazs you make me laugh...  

You should take up a career in comedy.

[Staga]

Actually Knights were first country doing big organized attacks when we still had old beta-arena.
I still remember those "Banzai!" yells in ch.1 when Zig was putting up mission after mission

This pic was also from one of those missions; afair we had only 2 or 3 fields left in the SE corner of map but with missions running we were soon doing just fine

[Staga]

oh btw there were loads of F4u-1C's coming with us (they were free then ) but we just had so nice "finger-four" I had to grab that pic

[Hamish]

Just an opinion, but i don't think the problem lies in organization, or lack thereof, It's the maps, and how they are laid out.
Mainly, a while back, a lot of people were complaining about not having historical maps for the MA, and a few historical maps were made, some even getting approval. (I.E. Mindanao, Baltic, Etc.) Unfortunately, these maps are not very balanced in as far as the 3 sided war/ strat features in place are concerned. I think you would see a more improved game were there to be a more balanced map from which to play by. As much as i hated it after playing there for a while*, i think the closest map we have currently to a balanced one, where you would be able to take advantage of every strat facet, and even furball if you wanted, would be the isles terrain. I never saw for lack of a furball on the isles terrain, so the furballers would be happy, and there would be opportunities galore for CV ops, and island hopping raids.

  One thing else i will add, way back when i first started flying i only used to fly in the "free" arena in WB ($2.00 an hour being my main reason for not flying there anymore), and i loved that it  reset weekly. why not apply that to the terrain rotation here? rather than a reset dependant on 1 side "Winning" By all means rotate countries around the map when 1 side wins, that way no 1 country can have the "terrain advantage" all the time, but don't rotate the maps themselves when winning.

my slightly more than 2 cents.


*My reason for hating it then, was we were stuck on it for what seemed forever I seem to recall many posts begging for a "reset" for a new map

[MikeKA]

Wow... this thread went from semi-rational posting, to semi-irrational, to totally irrational, back to semi-irrational.. then it skipped straight to a rational discussion... wheee what a ride reading this was.  

I think Lasz has a point when he talks about early war planes being "cornered".  I'd like to fly some of the earlier stuff and do sometimes.  I'd just like to be able to fly them against something that can't zoom climb 2x as good as me  (yeah i know i know, dueling arena.  But when are there more than 3 or 4 people in there?)

[lazs2]

buzzbait... my ideas for making an arena more fun for the majority are funny to you but the whole CT is not?  Hmm...  Well maybe it is more pitiful than funny.

Whatever happens... closer fields would be a good thing.   They would especially be a good thing for early war planes.   I just don't see how anyone would argue that.  

We are getting more early war planes.   Organization is just the symptom.   The disease is far apart fields that are easy to disable but hard to capture.   Milkrunning would be countered more often with closer fields.   There is ALLWAYS action at the closest fields and the cv's when they are close to enemy.    We have fields that are about 3/4 of a sector and they are VERY popular..  We have othe parts of the map that are friggin deserted!   Those who would claim that the map is too small or too crowded or the fields too close together are simply wrong.    The map may have too much population density in some areas but  more fields that were 3/4 of a sector would spread that out.

The shorter flights and increased number of places with action at em would help the dreary strat guys too..  They would not be as noticable nor... would they be percieved as such a threat.  People would also not have as much time to react.

desillies.... gadfly haveing less than 100 kills in three years is relevant to a discussion on what would be fun for the majority in an arena.   It should be obvious that if an arena were designed for his ilk that there would not be a lot of profit in it.   The CT would look like a Roman orgy by comparisson.
lazs

[deSelys]

Lazs,

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1. I wouldn't disregard an opinion because the poster shows poor skill....some dweebs may have good ideas, while some particularly good sticks.......I'm sure you'll agree.....

2. Even if the guy is 5 days into his free 2-weeks, I will read the post. Sometimes, a fresh look can bring a really original solution to a problem.....you can't dispute that....

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(Boy, how does this sound patronizing.... )

Now please make better use of all the time you're spending on this BB and design YOUR map. If HTC uses it, we'll see who were right.


EDIT: btw, profit for HTC doesn't depend from the number of kills, but from a fixed amount of money every player sends to HTC each month (makes me wonder who is paying the bill for you...). So Gadfly is as much a customer as you here....

I'm out of this thread (don't worry, I won't slam the door).

[lazs2]

midnight....  not to be too much of a bother but...  I still haven't recieved the gun and ammo that you promised.   do you need an FFL number?
lazs

[Rude]

Heyas Lazs!

In my opinion, there is only one best solution....RPS.

Oh my!!!! I said it!!! Well, I fly only the P-51, and if I can live with having to wait to fly it, I would think others could wait for their rides as well.

RPS did not work in WB's due to the fact we all paid $2.00/hr and wanted to fly what we wanted, when we wanted...it cost too much money not to have the choice. To be truthful, it didn't bother me even in WB's.

Here in AH, things are cheap....variety is a good thing...we all are spoiled with this I want to fly what I want when I want thingie. Everyone could have fun flying early, mid and late war when the time came.

Will RPS be seen in AH....absolutely not. I know they think it will not work as do many others in the community. Just my .02 worth.

I think all of this tweaking of the MA is a giant exercise in futility which will yield very little. This product is what it is and to your suprise perhaps, the majority is happy gettin to do what they do. It's just us old farts who are looking for bliss:)

Later!

[Lephturn]

Originally posted by Rude
Heyas Lazs!

In my opinion, there is only one best solution....RPS.

Oh my!!!! I said it!!! Well, I fly only the P-51, and if I can live with having to wait to fly it, I would think others could wait for their rides as well.

RPS did not work in WB's due to the fact we all paid $2.00/hr and wanted to fly what we wanted, when we wanted...it cost too much money not to have the choice. To be truthful, it didn't bother me even in WB's.

Here in AH, things are cheap....variety is a good thing...we all are spoiled with this I want to fly what I want when I want thingie. Everyone could have fun flying early, mid and late war when the time came.

Will RPS be seen in AH....absolutely not. I know they think it will not work as do many others in the community. Just my .02 worth.

Well, it depends on what you mean by RPS.

I think if you do some searching, you may find Pyro has mentioned a Rolling Perk Set in the past.  I think that has great potential.  That way you can always fly your favourite ride, it just costs more perkies early in the game.  Hmmm, I think they might have tried that in the CT though.... I'd be interested to see what it would do in the main.

We'll see I guess... but I do think that Pyro and HT have more investment, information, and experience to make these kinds of decisions than the lot of us all put together.  The've been doing this as their livelyhood for quite a while folks... and they are still around and kicking butt.  How about trusting them a bit... I know I'm damn glad they are making the decisions in AH.