Realistic Instruments

[Wilbus]

Dejavu, that's typical US to say (no offence to those who are US and don't think like that). It's been proved over and over again, what US doesn't have, nobody else should have either. It's a US game, european community shouldn't have anything to strenghten the immersion.

If you like MPH, fine, fly with it, Europeans who are used to Metric system get alot more immersion from metric gauges, not to mention speed feeling, so please don't come and say it's just eye candy.

I know there are quite many US people who want Metric for their LW and Japanese (ok, everything but brit and US actually) rides too, however, it seems to me that most US people think that miles is the only thing that exists...

[Creamo]

Oh, and isn't it ironic that the outside views aka 'eye candy' are the suggested limiting factor to the optional realistic guages?

Go outside the cockpit in outside view. Zoom in, so you can see the instruments. Needles et al will be moving. This is hard coded into the 3d model. If we want a metric option, it means doing extra 3d models for every plane.

Whatever, AH does what it does very well, and I do understand why easy to read panels work.

[mrfish]

the whole mph and feet thing is archaic and ridiculous.

it's kind of embarrassing that we(the u.s.) can't get in step with the rest of the world and use a logical system of measurement. remember the resistance when carter tried it? unreal!

we claim to be so advanced, but people turn into syrup when SI units are around.

"i aint chaingin mah mezhermints!!! - they is u.s. guverment spayshul so that means they is is strate frum the baby jeezus jus' like the constitooshun and futball - amen!!"

no, let's not use systems of tens lets use 12's and the mile will be oh let's say some arbitrary length, 5 thousand whatever feet and of course farehnheit will show freezing at 32 instead of just readjusting the damn scale to zero (what was that retard thinking?!)

the scientific community has been using SI forever in the states but they still have to convert before they go on tv so they dont scare anyone with all that "exotic and foreign" measurement.

as far as the game goes, straight historical panels all the way no question about it. i understand why they initially went with miles etc but come on. dont play to the LCD have a little faith that people can get it

if you are capable enough to fly around and get kills you have what it takes to understand what every european and asian 3rd grader knows about measurement. good grief.

[Wilbus]

wohow! Well said Mrfish

Think we learn it when we're 6 though

[Fatty]

Fish you should know base 10 numbering is out of date and archaic as well.

[CRASH]

hehehe....outstanding, very funny  My opinion, screw the rest of the world, let them get in step with us.  Everyone should speak english, use our measuring system and all be governed by some form of democracy.  Why you ask?  Because we've shown it to be the best way to live in almost every respect relative to the way much of "the rest of the world" does it, thats why.  If it aint broke, dont fix it.  That aside, if possible, I'd like to see realistic cockpits, not because its a better system, just because thats the way it was.

CRASH


"i aint chaingin mah mezhermints!!! - they is u.s. guverment spayshul so that means they is is strate frum the baby jeezus jus' like the constitooshun and futball - amen!!"

no, let's not use systems of tens lets use 12's and the mile will be oh let's say some arbitrary length, 5 thousand whatever feet and of course farehnheit will show freezing at 32 instead of just readjusting the damn scale to zero (what was that retard thinking?!)

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by Vortex
If it ever came to pass, as an option only please.

I definitely have no desire to fly cockpits that are that exact. Quite the contrary, I prefer a standard across the board like exists now.

Agreed.  Germans, Italians, Japanese and Russians were used to reading their own language.  I'm not.  There are far more important things to do before training us in foreign languages, weights and measures.

- oldman

[AKDejaVu]

It's not just 'eye candy', it's immersion for some people, which can be a huge attraction to the game.

roadkill.

Immersion is a word that is thrown around the same as realism.

Immersion comes from the combat, not the cockpit.  If you feel the cockpit needs to be realistic to be truly "immersive" you are going to be disappointed for quite some time.

Someone wants metric in German planes because they feel it is offensive to have U.S. style guages in them.  I can understand that (They are LW afterall).  "Immersive"... I laugh at that.

Now.. what if HTC does model metric guages and makes it an option... but each aircraft with it modeled as an option requires a slot in an arena that has a fixed maximum number of aircraft...  Do you make the change?  Do you make it metric only instead?

Is this "fix" catering to a majority of HTC's customers or a minority?  Would it be benificial to a majority or minority of their customers?  How do you prioritize it after answering that?

I'm all for 100% accurate representation of every aspect of these aircraft.  I'm just not willing to accept some of the potential tradeoffs.  If HTC can do this without impacting the number of types of aircraft in the arenas.. then cool.  If they can't... then not nearly so cool.

AKDejaVu

[MANDOBLE]

Immersion comes from the combat, not the cockpit

Lets play in a wireframe world with 500 blue wireframed aircrafts fighting over 4 green wireframed terrains.


What about having the C205 camouflage for a P51?? Hey, camo is not immersion, right?

What about having red stars in the nationality markings of a P47??

Would u ask HTC to change these "deviations" or will u ask HTC to continue modeling new planes over'n over forgetting these mistakes?

What can I say... roadkill!

[AKDejaVu]

Right mandoble... make it even more mellodramatic.

If you're in a fight, you are looking at the enemy plane.  If you aren't.. you are doing something wrong.  The things that make that better are what really matter.

How do you  know you are about to stall... how do you know when your speed is dropping off... how do you know when you are too low.  All those things are important... but the guages are the least relevant way to tell you.  Ground effect, wind noise, stall warnings, buffetting, mushiness... overall feel.  That is what matters because in a fight, you can't take your eye off of the enemy.

I wonder how many of the aces so many sing the praises of spent their time looking at guages during an engagement.

AKDejaVu

[mrfish]

Originally posted by Fatty
Fish you should know base 10 numbering is out of date and archaic as well.

pedal your hexadecimals elsewhere you cur

the current SI base ten system is just fine for learning as a common world standard and good for everyone, save math and computer dorks who want us thinking in intervals of 6 or 18 or whatever - they are just show-offs screw them

and FYI you pagans - the u.s. IS a metric country in every way that matters already. as for the 'foreign-ness' of the SI system i would submit: where do you think the system you are using now originated? sout' joisey?

the entire scientific community is on SI units with the exception, apparantly of people who designed the mars climate orbiter for nasa.

the old system is for lay-people and the unwashed masses only. you should shed the chains of that system and join the equanimious ranks of the  SI annointed.

remember....

mile=oppression, hatred, racism and anti-kittenism........kilometer=glorious freedom and equality

'kills me that people resist a common world system! yeah, fighting against a common system of measurement for the world - now that's vision!

or my favorite: "we gotta big militury so let THEM (ie. the rest of the globe) change by god...or we'll NUK-U-LATE 'em commie bastards"

'course if it's too much for you, ya know: "comprehendin'-like" i'll understand.

remember though....that little yyves or pierre the shy sensitive 98lb(44 kilos to the rest of us) artist in paris(and his 'partner') got it AND understand your system and language as a hobby. but if that doesnt bother you then ok. put back a cold coors 16ozer for me too hoss

[Wilbus]

Crash, you guys obviously learn nothing about other countries in school either, you're so in love with your self that you can't see past your own nose, maybe if you guys spent some time learning about other countries, cultures, political system and humans, you would actually see that USA is not the center of the earth nor is it the most developed country in the world in any aspect, sure you got nukes, do you think that's a good thing?

How many people in % can read in the US? No matter what numbers you find there and ensure you that many countries will have FAR greater %. How many people are homeless in the US? How many people live on welfare? You call all these things good and highly developed? Once again, you only see as far as your own nose goes, you care nothing nor know nothing about the people who doesn't have the same standards as you, and yet, you call USA the perfect country?

How many % of the world uses Metric System? 70? 80? more?
Wich system was there first do you think? Which one is being used most? Wich one is being used by all scentists?

Please don't give me any crap about USA being the most developed perfect non faulty country of the world, you'll make me throw up.

Now, I've got nothing what so ever against USA, it's a good country overall, if it weren't for you guys over there who sacrifce your lives for Europe in two world wars, the earth would most likely be a much worse place, I don't meen to offend anyone, just burst the bubble of USA being free from errors for those of you who think that.

Going back to the real thread, Dejavu, if you were European you'd understand, obviously, you don't understand now. We don't think of 400Mph being pasat 600Km/h, we think of it as 400 and thus quite slow for a plane, it's got nothing to do with eyecandy, it's got to do with feeling.

[MANDOBLE]

What I mean with immersion is not limited at all to gauges.
Much better graphics effect, much more detailed damage modeling and so on are things that make u feel inside a plane, even without knowing a bit about aerodynamics.

U prefer to use the available resources making more and more billion polygon planes while representing a damaged aileron with the absence of the aileron, a hit with a small sprite, a fire with... ...no comments about the fire, and so on.

Wilbus, u forgot a crucial question... ...What % can write in proper english?

[Glasses]

And what can you do with nukes now, other than shove them up your ass.

Practically worthless.

[pbirmingham]

Originally posted by Wilbus

How many people in % can read in the US? No matter what numbers you find there and ensure you that many countries will have FAR greater %.

Far greater?  Just what do you think the literacy rate is in the US, anyway?  I mean, you're from another country, you must know everything about us, right?