Author Topic: Canadians finish second despite a "perfect" program (Read 1597 times)

Sox62 · « **on:** February 12, 2002, 11:39:59 AM »

Unreal.One of the biggest screwjobs I have ever seen.When did the BCS start to judge skating?

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babek- · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2002, 11:55:16 AM »

The sport-moderator on german TV was so astonished about this unfair decision that he wasnt able to speak for minutes. Then he - with a very angry tone - continued his report.

The Canadians were better than the Russians - they deserved the gold medal.

skernsk · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2002, 12:01:19 PM »

That was pathetic. I hate competitions like that where 3 amazinhunks can just throw the whole event down the toilet.

I watched the event and was absolutely 100% convinced that was a gold medal performance. BUT, I was pretty sure the handsomehunk judges would not "let" them win.

One thing that came to mind was the "Oath" that was taken by the judges to judge fairly and impartially" during the opening cermeonies. Guess the figure skating judges weren't listening.

What surprised me was how friggin politically correct everyone was afterwards. If it was me I'd have thrown a friggen fit and made damn sure the judges knew EXACTLY how I felt.

The Russian skaters actually think they won the event.....NOT!

Raubvogel · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2002, 12:05:16 PM »

It's fediddlein Ice skating, it doesn't matter who wins, they're all losers

Udie at Work · « **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2002, 12:43:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
It's fediddlein Ice skating, it doesn't matter who wins, they're all losers

Yeah, where's Nancy after all? OR Tanya

why is it an event?

Eagler · « **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2002, 12:43:18 PM »

I don't know dink about ice skating scoring but it seems odd to see big swings btwn country judges score cards with them usually scoring their own higher.... saw one last night were everyone else gave this couple a >8.0 while the Jap judge gave them a 6.6

fd ski · « **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2002, 01:08:36 PM »

judges submit their "grades" at same time and do not cosult wiht other judges ( actually i think they are physically separated from others ) hince conspiracy is quite out of question.

It's a subjective sport. If it had goals, it would be easier to judge.

miko2d · « **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2002, 01:16:45 PM »

Not only the whole thing is highly subjective, it does not have any foundation for the consistent scoring - otherwise the scores would not differ that much among judges.

Anything scored by judges should not be considered sport but an art.

You can use judges to count points or detect cheating, like in boxing, but any kind of value judgement is in direct contradiction to what the sport is all about.
It is about winning without outside help. winning decided by voting committee is a contradiction in terms.

miko

Dago · « **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2002, 01:30:00 PM »

I gotta be honest, I only saw the Canadiens skate, not the Russians, so I cant compare the two pairs, but the Canadiens did a beautiful job and looked flawless to me.

But, this doesnt come close to the time the young black American Olympic boxer, I think he name was Roy Hill, beat the snot out of a Korean boxer. I mean he dominated the Korean in every way, and they awarded the decision to the Korean. That was astounding. It wasnt even close, not even in same country as close.

That was pure and simply a travesty, and that more than any one incident or all combined proved to me that the Olympic games are not the pure competition we would like to believe. I thought the judges should have been jailed for life.

Dago

Nifty · « **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2002, 01:39:26 PM »

hehe, Germany beat the crap outta Slovakia! 3-0! the goalie doesn't even start for his club team in Nuremburg. what a story!

hmm, I hear skating and Olympics and I think of hockey! sorry!

Seriously, did anyone actually expect anything other than a judges controversy in an Olympic event, especially pairs figure skating?

funny you should bring up boxing. 1988 Middleweight bout goes to a decision. It's given to Park of South Korea over Roy Jones, Jr. Jones landed 80+ punches to Park's 30+. That, combined with other issues, led to a revamping of Olympic boxing's judging practices. Maybe the same will happen with figure skating eventually.

easymo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2002, 01:50:51 PM »

People who watch ice dancing are light in the loafers.

Eagler · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2002, 01:57:55 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
People who watch ice dancing are light in the loafers.

whadda ya mean? Those girls have the best legs in the whole dang eeevent

easymo · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2002, 02:02:09 PM »

No helmets? No clubs? It all sounds vaguely indecent

hblair · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2002, 02:02:37 PM »

I watched it with my 10 yr old daughter. I agree that the Canadians were perfect. I couldn't believe it either. The russian skater clearly botched his landing.

fd ski · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2002, 02:05:25 PM »

Since the article makes a suggestion of some sort of "Alliance" for the "russians" on the part of Polish and Chinese judge, i decided to do some snooping.

Here is what i found:

Elena Berezhnaya and Anton Sikharulidze, Russia
Judge Ordinal Technical merit Presentation Total
1, Marina Sanaia, Russia 1 5.8 5.9 11.7
2, Jiasheng Yang, China 1 5.8 5.9 11.7
3, Lucy Brennan, U.S. 2 5.7 5.9 11.6
4, Marie Reine Le Gougne, France 1 5.8 5.9 11.7
5, Anna Sierocka, Poland 1 5.7 5.9 11.6
6, Benoit Lavoie, Canada 2 5.7 5.8 11.5
7, Vladislav Petukhov, Ukraine 1 5.8 5.9 11.7
8, Sissy Krick, Germany 2 5.8 5.8 11.6
9, Hideo Sugita, Japan 2 5.7 5.9 11.6

Jamie Sale and David Pelletier, Canada
Judge Ordinal Technical merit Presentation Total
1, Marina Sanaia, Russia 2 5.8 5.8 11.6
2, Jiasheng Yang, China 2 5.9 5.8 11.7
3, Lucy Brennan, U.S. 1 5.8 5.9 11.7
4, Marie Reine Le Gougne, France 2 5.8 5.8 11.6
5, Anna Sierocka, Poland 2 5.8 5.8 11.6
6, Benoit Lavoie, Canada 1 5.9 5.9 11.8
7, Vladislav Petukhov, Ukraine 2 5.8 5.8 11.6
8, Sissy Krick, Germany 1 5.9 5.9 11.8
9, Hideo Sugita, Japan 1 5.8 5.9 11.7

Look carefully, suggestion was that Cadanians' didn't win because of lack of 5.9 scores from Polish and Chinese judges.
Well, they also got 5.8s from France !!! Those whoopee communists !!! And Ukraine - and we know about them, don't we ?

If you want to start looking for partial judges: look at canadian judge:
Gave russians lowest grades in both categories, and highest to canadians in both.
Same goes for Russian judge as well

Disclaimer:

I didn't watch it, i have better things to do.

But making stupid geo-political statements by national news agencies anooys a living toejam out of me.

Poland has nationalistic hatred of Russia that even US can't match. China is more afraid of Russia then of US. How the hell did that reporter figure this out ?