11 old boy kills robber with a .45

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Animal
Interesting fact:

Did you know more people die each year of falling, than of gun accidents? This is specially so wich children. Something like 300% more kids die in falls than gun accidents.

We should outlaw running and climbing.

Sorry, is there already a law against firearm accidents?

[Tac]

the only gun i'd ever want to own:



Them brits sure pick quality with style

[Animal]

Originally posted by Thrawn


Sorry, is there already a law against firearm accidents?

uuhhh... not yet... but isnt that one of the main points anti-gun people have for banning guns?


Tac,
what about this baby?

[XNachoX]

I think that gun tac put up there is an airsoft gun.  Those things are awesome.  I'm getting one soon

[Animal]

AirSoft?
so you can annoy your enemies to death?

I was a lot into paintball, how different is airsoft, other than the cool looking guns.
How do you killed you "killed" someone if there is no paint; cant they just cheat?

[Tac]

Thats the SA-80 (Small Arms for the 80's) assault rifle. Its used by the british army & marines.

The Colombian army was thinking on switching their old GALIL to those, but the Israeli companies threatened to sue BAD if the current contract with them was broken. Being the pansy tulips we have in gov, they backed down and pocketed the money set aside for those new guns & spent it in their Bermuda vacations.

Animal: What is that one? I dont like it, looks painful to carry. You know, long, thin edges and sharp corners can injure you

[Animal]

[Dago]

I see no purpose in them so ban them!!!

Okay, so thats how its going to go now in the future.  If Sirloin doesnt see value in something, lets ban it.  He, and he alone, shall pass judgement on worth for our society?

This subject is obviously to complex to discuss in this forum, but I can't help offer a few thoughts.

1) Anti-gun types offer all kinds of "statistics" but rarely say where they come from.  In the few cases a source is given, it normally turns out to be some extremely slanted organization quoted, or just flat wrong.

2) Cigarrettes are known to cause death, and the accepted statistic is that currently 400,000 people die in the US each year due to smoking related causes.  Where is the outrage and the demands for banning them?

3) Passing laws against gun ownership or use is just wonderful, since after all, gun crimes are only committed by law abiding person, right?

4) At the risk of sounding like a catch phrase, if you were to ban firearms, who would actually surrender them?  The law abiding citizens thats who, and they arent the ones causing the problems. Damn sure wont be the criminal element handing them in.

Lets get real here, all the desires for a gun free society in the US are just fantazies now, we have an armed population, and you cant go backwards.  There are too many guns in the wrong hands to believe that could ever be eliminated from our country.  At most you could accomplish is to disarm the innocent, while leaving the lawless armed and without hesitation.

That kid first mentioned in this thread understands something that many might as well learn to accept.  In our world today, gun control means hitting your target.  (and note, it wasnt a gun used to threaten his family).

Dago

[Saurdaukar]

Ah... gotta disagree with all the "anti-gun nuts" out there... banning the legal ownership of firearms will not reduce fatalities or injuries as a result of illegal firearms use.  Criminals dont get their firearms at the local gun shop and an unregistered gun owner doesnt really pay attention to laws.    Look at the police force in America.. most departments cant even field anything larger than a 9mm or a .38.  The lucky ones get .40's.  What is a police officer going to do with a 9mm Glock 17?  Give someone 12 or 13 really bad bruises.  Give the boys in blue something that will hurt... since when are we concerned about the health of those who would point a weapon at a police officer anyway?  Guns were made for killing people - that is how they will continue to be used.  It is not the gun itself we should be trying to ban - but the ownership of them but unauthorized personnel.  Did you know that NRA instructors are specifically told NOT to refere to guns as "weapons?"  What kind of politically correct roadkill is this?  It I S a weapon!  Legislators know that banning guns wont do anything to help solve the problem - its just eye and ear candy for the less educated public - much like not calling a "weapon" exactly what it is - take the banning of assult rifles - automatic weapons.  Cant get em except for from southern New Mexico at abou 1:30AM right?  Nope.  Automatic weapons are just as numerous as they were pre-1984 - all you need is a Class 3 licence - dunno what it takes to get one?  Look it up - youll be shocked - M16A2's, AK47's, MP5's... hell - you can get a friggen MG42 that will spit 1200 RPM if you want it - all you gotta do is pay for it - they are all easy to get.   The problem will persist - and in the USA - you will NEVER be able to take away the right of citizens to own a handgun - or any gun for that matter.  Most gun owners are not stupid people - they are well aware of the dangers and responsibilities associated with firearms ownership and use.  I own several weapons but do I keep one locked and cocked around the house for defense?  Hell no - better chance Ill shoot my own damned foot off with it!

Oh - and whoever posted about the AK-47, I actually own one... legally of course - much fun.  ;-)

Mazz/Mike

[AKDejaVu]

The Colombian army was thinking on switching their old GALIL to those, but the Israeli companies threatened to sue BAD if the current contract with them was broken. Being the pansy tulips we have in gov, they backed down and pocketed the money set aside for those new guns & spent it in their Bermuda vacations.

Strange, most of the Colombians I worked with were armed with G3s.  They saw about 2:1 usage over the Galils{at the unit I worked with}.  Of course, the Galils looked much cooler;)

Of course, both were too heavy and awkward for the special forces... so they used a version of this:


AKDejaVu

[Animal]

H&K G36
THE rifle of the new millenium.

[Tac]

"Strange, most of the Colombians I worked with were armed with G3s. They saw about 2:1 usage over the Galils{at the unit I worked with}. Of course, the Galils looked much cooler"

Were you with the army or the anti-drug police forces?

Last time I heard we used the Galil more than the G3. The G3 kicks like a mule, not good for conscripts its said. One of my friends served in the 3rd Bat. "Pichincha" for his mandatory year and all he got to use was the Galil.

It doesnt matter either way, they are both old rifles and need to be replaced.



*sigh* We should get a gold medal for doing SOMETHING better than the rest of the world for once

[streakeagle]

Why is it those countries that have restricted and/or banned firearm ownership are right at the top of the list with the US?



Assuming the data is valid, it supports the fact that gun shooting deaths are not reduced by making laws against them.

[Tac]

The farther to the top the more developed the nation, the farther to the right , the more murders.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Animal



uuhhh... not yet... but isnt that one of the main points anti-gun people have for banning guns?


Tac,
what about this baby?
 

It's a FAMAS = Fusil Automatique, Manufacture d'Armes de St. Estienne

You can throw it in mud jump on it and that little bastard will continue firing without trouble !
Plus it's deadly accurate cna throw grenade and so on ...

Concerning the handling it's not that bad it never hurted me