HANGTIME VS. HRISTO RESULTS:

[Replicant]

 

Originally posted by funked:
If you want to prove anything about pilots, you need to put everyone in the same plane... The Fairey Fulmar.

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Ouch, Fairey Fulmar....  

Salute to both!  

'Nexx'

 

[Hangtime]

LOL.. here's an apology without an apology...

Re the merges: Yep..  if we had identical planes; I woulda had the same reaction as most here. Bear in mind that I have many many years on dueling ladders.. and understand how to 'exploit' an ROE. In fact I wrote an ROE that was pretty much un-exploitable for another sim some years back; and provided a working copy of this document to the planners here for AH H2H ladder dueling. Sadly; the planners missed the nuances; and the ROE they came up with is already being exploited. As somebody pointed out in another thread 'it's understood we don't gun on first merge' don't cut it. Catchin a facefull of lead when its 'understood we don't do that' would ruin my day. Nash had every right to be pissed...

In the hard and fast world of the MA an axiom exists.. "Never give the other guy an even break" Since this was dissimilar combat; and I was clear in my own mind what I'd need to make a 10k merge survivable; I did what was necessary to get there. And that included carefully wording my challange acceptance terms with the 'loophole' so roundly booooed above. Life is hard. So is the MA. And I would never accept a duel in dissimilar AC that would give the aircraft with a clear advantage in climb a bonus e advantage as well at the merge. That's just not rational.

Now; since this was neither a formal ladder match in identical planes; nor flown on the H2H function; SEA or TA and had its own pre-specified entirely seperate ROE, its not unreasonable to expect that the ROE specified in the challenge takes precedent over any other pre-concieved ideas you or I may have from Falcon 3; USNF or Warbirds or any other sim ladder ROE including the AH ladder. Again; this was not a ladder match.

It was a duel; I lost it; he won it; and I'm flyin a G10 for the next tour. No complaints here.. and My observer (Jigster) and Ripsnort (Hristo's observer) have both agreed it was acceptable as flown. Case closed; I hope.

RAM.. I was kinda surprised to see your comments in private on Hristo's tape. And dissapointed. Please do not be offended if we bishops do not trust you... it's nice having you fly with us; but I wonder; as I'm sure others have, how much info you pass to yer pals on the other side of the wire. And to be refered to as a cheater; and then to attempt to directly affect the outcome of the fight or influence its participants in that way goes beyond just 'good luck' well-wishing. Don't it?

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[RAM]

Hang, Mail on the way.

[Creamo]

Just noting your interfering in the message buffer, and calling Hang a cheater was annoying, that's all RAM.

Not sure what your blabbing off onto me going to school has to do with that. If it concerns you so much, I went to college along time ago when i was a little boy like you. At least I work with real aircraft, not those little pixels you seem to be such a expert on.  

   

Anyways, interesting tape, you guys should do another.



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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Creamo:
Just noting your interfering in the message buffer, and calling Hang a cheater was annoying, that's all RAM.

The wise man knows to see beyond the mountain in front of him. The simple one only says "oh, look, the world ends there"

I said what it was of interest here. I sent a mail to Hangtime, as he is the only one I mind in this matter. Think whatever you want Creamo. your problem not mine.

[edit] and BTW, I feel no greed about that photo. I flew a plane by myself (with an instructor by my side of course) when I was 17 and one month. I took off, flew and landed by myself.

So dont worry you arent the only one here who sat in a real cockpit.[edit]



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[Hangtime]

Copy that RAM.. will have to wait till I get home from work to access the email tho.

One of the things that keeps me interested in the sim are the personalities involved.. and you are one. (So's Creamo   ) Your boundless levels of enthusiasim and off-the wall surprises and wit keep me smiling. I ain't mad at 'cha.. just surprised; is all.  

Cya's Up!

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[1776]

Hey, guys, this fight you had was great!!! Toad made it even more exciting with the betting!!   The films were excellent(I looked at both side films,got them saved too)and exciting!!  Big <S> to two excellent pilots!!!!

P.S.
I made a ton of money in the grandstands.<walks outa room with $100.00 bills falling outa pockets>

 
 

[Nash]

Despite Hangtime's approach to the merge, as Jigster pointed out, Hangtime was 100mph slower on every merge but the third. Makes what he did completely irrelevant.

100mph slower.

That's pretty signicicant. With dissimular AC, instead of the emphasis being placed on the hard ceiling, a co-speed merge should have been agreed to.

Fantastic flying both of you. <S>

[Fishu]

Congrats Hristo, you've proven that Luftwaffe is the side where the skill is hiding from allies  

(But let that P-51 loss be because of bad fuel provided by allies on purpose, or I am dissapointed!  )

Got to see what happens when they get Dora for us  ) (even though I do personally like Wuergers more)

 

[Jigster]

I thought I pretty funny that RAM was climbing out with Hang from 25 and chatting a bit, and later makes some crack about how to catch a diving Mustang to Hristo on a private channel  

IMO the speed difference meant nill; Hristo was simply using an advantage of his plane in the given rules of the game.

So there.  

- Jig

[Minotaur]

The results of this duel did not surpise me in the slightess.  

Anyone one suspect that the LW had some clue about aircraft climb and speed over agility?

I would always take altitude and speed.  Then I am the one who dictates the fight, not my opponent.

   


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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"One more dead brain cell and you're a talking monkey."
Yankee

[Hangtime]

Regardless of the disparity in the performance of the plane types; I still consider the pony to be the superior A/C.

And I obviously have no leg to stand on other than the tattered remmanants of the stumps Hristo left me. I ask that you humor me for a moment; and consider...

The pony rewards a pilot that treats her right by giving back to him that little bit more 'e' hold in a turn, a little more roll.. a little more zoom... I dunno; you just get that 'feeling' that there's more there; and all you just have to is tickle her just right to bring it out. Even mushing on the stall; she still wants to go.. and I think she'd have won the fight if I wasn't so damn stupid.

The worst feeling in the world is knowing the plane didn't let me down.. I just plain blew it. I've flown the G10 enuff now to know the diffrence between brute strength and finesse.. and the pony shines with finesse when she's at the top of her form.

On the other hand, the G10 needs a healthy kick on the stick and rudder to horse around a turn.. she bucks and fights the pilot every moment. She's a butt ugly squeak in a fight; but not someone you ever trust for even a second with your back turned... let alone take home in the daylight.

The pony if flown with the same heavy hand that tames the reluctant G10 will just fold her wings... or snap out of the turn and stall. But stroke her up gently and she can surprise the hell outta anything in the sky.

My apologies to the Mustang Men out there.. I didn't give our ride the hands she needed to win the day; but she was willin. And able. Our bird did not fail... I did.
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[Toad]

 

Originally posted by leonid:

Toad, so when can I expect that free month?  

Planning on sending a check to HTC on the 5th, asking them to credit your account. Same with Torquila only asking them to delay it until he requests it be used.(I'm off flying in a 4th of July airshow right now, sorry for the delay.    )

So, I'd guess your August would be free?  Will let you know what they say.

BTW, I'm damned proud of Hang. I think he did a truly excellent job overall, particularly considering the disparity in climb rates and accleration. I also think it could have gone the other way quite easily.

<S> to both the contestants. Great films to watch on both sides. Worth the $$ for those alone!

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Hangtime:
Regardless of the disparity in the performance of the plane types; I still consider the pony to be the superior A/C.

The pony rewards a pilot that treats her right by giving back to him that little bit more 'e' hold in a turn, a little more roll.. a little more zoom... I dunno; you just get that 'feeling' that there's more there; and all you just have to is tickle her just right to bring it out. Even mushing on the stall; she still wants to go.. and I think she'd have won the fight if I wasn't so damn stupid.

The worst feeling in the world is knowing the plane didn't let me down.. I just plain blew it. I've flown the G10 enuff now to know the diffrence between brute strength and finesse.. and the pony shines with finesse when she's at the top of her form.

On the other hand, the G10 needs a healthy kick on the stick and rudder to horse around a turn.. she bucks and fights the pilot every moment. She's a butt ugly squeak in a fight; but not someone you ever trust for even a second with your back turned... let alone take home in the daylight.

The pony if flown with the same heavy hand that tames the reluctant G10 will just fold her wings... or snap out of the turn and stall. But stroke her up gently and she can surprise the hell outta anything in the sky.

My apologies to the Mustang Men out there.. I didn't give our ride the hands she needed to win the day; but she was willin. And able. Our bird did not fail... I did.

Somehow all of those allie planes does few things better...  

[turbo65]

this is the dorkiest dude i have ever seen in my life...i wouldnt want to fly on a plane this dork was working on...look at that toothless wonder....he is the poster child for birth control...are you diddlying kidding me...what the diddly is the world coming too...creamo what the diddly is your retarded problem...get a dentist or something...these losers dont deserve you...turbo out.