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Offline Hristo

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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2000, 12:48:00 AM »
All things aside, it was a great duel for me.
Felt like 109K vs Spit XIV duels back from WB.

At start, I expected to get above the P 51D easily and dictate the fight afterwards. I knew 25% and 4 .50 cal P 51D to be really dangerous in a knifefight (read: better than G-10, all characteristics combined). However, I could not afford the luxury of taking less than 50% fuel in my G-10. There would be to much pressure for me to quickly end the fight and it would probably resulted in a mistake.

P 51D with 25% has lower wingloading than 25% fuel G-10, right ? Now take 2 .50 cals from P 51D. Put 25% more fuel in G-10. Drop 1 notch of flaps on P 51D.

What you get ?

You get the fight we had there. 2 planes very closely matched. Much like that Dora vs P51 duel from Shaw's book. Powerloading vs wingloading.

At times I felt like I was fighting a Spitfire, not a Pony. Yes, I could win the vertical, but not by a big margin. Hang could put his nose on me most times and it really surprised me. This was a warning to me from start - do not enter a turnifight with Hang's P 51. E-fight him instead. In AH those two planes come very close in a knifefight and little things make the difference. Just watch that 4th fight with endless deck flat turn. Not the brightest approach, but once we were there the first man to disengage dies.

As for merge tactics, I was surprised with it. It never happened to me in previous HTH, but I do not mind it. If Hang did not dive to the merge, the fight would be one sided indeed. Also, note that I took the same approach in fight 5.

If we were co-E (no merge diving), a single Immelmann would put me on top. However, we were obviously co-E and I needed time to make that RoC work. Putting myself in front of light P 51D and expecting rate of climb to pull me out instantly would be stupid. So I did those two spirals. They were the answer to Hang's merge tactic. The text buffer misses something I said to myself there, going something like this: "...OK, you opportunist merge diver, now I show you the DB 605   ...". I shouldn't have underestimated the merge approach. It was a valid tactic, not speciffically forbidden in RoE and thus acceptable. Smart advice Hang, I wonder who gave it to you  

G-10 is much better 1 on 1 plane than it is in arena. It shines in some aspects (powerloading), but terribly lacks in other important aspects (guns, high speed handling, 6 view, roll rate). IMO, it is not a good arena plane. While fighting the enemy, you get to fight your plane too. Sure you can trust it after certain time, but not as much as to other planes. In fact, caught low on the deck, I always felt safer in 190A-8 than in G-10. In A-5 I actually enjoy getting bounced low and slow  

A-5 is the best plane Luftwaffe has in AH at the moment. Jack of all trades, master of none. except roll rate it is average in all other aspects. With competent pilot, however, it reminds me of well flown Spit - dangerous, with enough tricks in its sleeve to successfully defend itself.

Salute, Hangtime ! This was the best way to end my 109 carrier.


Hristo, a wannabe 190 pilot  



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« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2000, 01:02:00 AM »
Now, how about a rematch ?

P 51D vs 190A-5, icons off, squad duel, SEA.

Any takers ?

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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2000, 04:36:00 AM »
Aww, hangtime, 109G10 an ugly squeak that fights you when you fly her?

But she makes such SWEET luvvin! And while she is ugly ikn a way, her fierce looks make her the most sexy prop plane out there!

Yeah, roll rate sucks. Low speed handling takes some power to handle, and hi speed handling - well if she had some, I would be happy. Trim characteristics are nasty.

But the acceleration and climb, my oh my they are good. For dweebs like me who blow their e (I blame it on bad roll etc heheheh) and enter a scissor movements with an enemy, it's lovely. Pull out when the window opens, WEP on, extend. Begin a spiral climb and come back.

You're right, it's brute strength versus finesse. But the strength itself is beautiful  .

Going to watch films now  .

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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2000, 05:31:00 AM »
Santa is right, G-10 kind of captures you after some time.

But it is far from being a perfect plane, oh no !

The times I loved it the most were when I was low on the deck, being bounced by Spits or Nikis. There was no way to outdive them, no way to outrun them, something else had to be done. Scissor, cut power, go into blackout, reverse and cross paths. The second I see the Spit coming almost HO I know I can get away, for that DB 605 acts like a rocket booster. Almost if the plane should be named Daimler-Benz instead of Messerschmitt.

But 190 is a plane with far greater potential than 109. Currently A-5 is best plane in AH, IMO. Not best in any catogory, but more than decent in everything. To see where this 190 potential leads, we need to get the Dora. Powerloading nearing those of G series 109 and all best characteristics of 190 series.

Now one step further. What do you think the best no-icon plane would be ? P 51D ? P 38 or Jug ? 109 ? Spitfire ? Cannon Hog ? Or little 190A ?  

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« Reply #49 on: July 04, 2000, 05:39:00 AM »
 
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My apologies to the Mustang Men out there.. I didn't give our ride the hands she needed to win the day; but she was willin. And able. Our bird did not fail... I did.

Nonsense Hang. Dont take it so hard man, stang pilots like yurself are the inspiration for many a learning P51 pilot - like myself. Eveyone stuffs up from time to time.
I love the P51, and i agree she just feels right when you fly it, a real gem.

SALUTE!

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« Reply #50 on: July 04, 2000, 06:05:00 AM »
 
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At start, I expected to get above the P 51D easily and dictate the fight afterwards. I knew 25% and 4 .50 cal P 51D to be really dangerous in a knifefight (read: better than G-10, all characteristics combined). However, I could not afford the luxury of taking less than 50% fuel in my G-10. There would be to much pressure for me to quickly end the fight and it would probably resulted in a mistake.

I'd say that you would had done alot better with more realistic fuel consuming rate  

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« Reply #51 on: July 04, 2000, 09:16:00 AM »
Hristo.. thanks for the kind words.  

2 things.. the gun package was 6 .50's. Yes I had some advice.. use 4 instead of 6. I decided to take six.. knowing that snapshots were going to be the predominant targeting opportnities. 6 .50's are weak enuff in a snapshot... 4 would be hopeless.

As for the opportunist merges.. lol.. my idea, hence my mistake as they in the end cost me more than I gained. I should have been much closer to you on the merges with no vertical seperation at all.. instead, anxious to be below 10k on the last merges I went under you, putting us almost 700 yards apart. Those 700 yards made a BIG diffrence on the spiral climbs you initiated after the merges.

As for the Dora v P51 duel.. I'm looking forward to it.   Same ROE, but I'll never again wager my pony... the price of flying this gawdamned g10 for a month is way too high.

I'd like to answer your squad challenge, at least a with a 2 v 2 as Thunder; my assigned wingie is very good with a pony in a knifefight, and would certainly accept. However; I'm unable to do so; as my current ride is not a pony.  

Release me from the wager, allow me to train up my wingies a bit and we could have a heluva fight... if nothing else; I'd be game for a 1 v 1, my pony vs your nasty little A4 in the SEA. You may set the ROE for such a fight; I think this could be a lotta fun.  

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« Reply #52 on: July 04, 2000, 09:53:00 AM »
Hristo;

CC  Well spoken...  <S>

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« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2000, 11:16:00 AM »
 
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I thought I pretty funny that RAM was climbing out with Hang from 25 and chatting a bit, and later makes some crack about how to catch a diving Mustang to Hristo on a private channel  

<SIGH> I gave Hangtime some tips in G10 handling when he flew it against Hristo. I gave Hristo some tips in P51 use (in fact I only told him not forgetting flap use).

I wanted Hristo to win the duel, that is no secret. And If I gave him a tip in taking a DT until he saw if Hang was going to keep the fite close or not, it was because I knew that hristo was concerned with it. I even went in a H2H arena to train with him, me in P51 he in G10 (of course I bite dust).

Is there any problem in me trying to help my favorite to win?...<SIGH>

I am really tired of this. Think whatever you want. I dont mind.

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« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2000, 11:18:00 AM »
OOPS double post!

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« Reply #55 on: July 04, 2000, 11:35:00 AM »
Hmmm....I go for that! Release Hangtime from his 109G and I will be glad to wing him against the Lufftberries in a 2 v 2 Knife Fight! I would need a week to work and train with him before the duel. I think that would be a fun fight. It may point up some other aspects of the pony not seen in the 1 v 1 duel. What do you say?  

   
 
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« Reply #56 on: July 04, 2000, 12:11:00 PM »
Not yet, guys  

Let's make this bigger than 2 vs 2. 8 vs 8 at least.

When ? Don't know, how many would participate on both sids ?

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« Reply #57 on: July 04, 2000, 12:32:00 PM »
Lets work our way up and learn as we go. I say we start with 2 vs 2 then 3 vs 3 and keep going up. We will all benefit from lessons learned and it should give us some insights for the next match. Lets have some fun with this  

   
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« Reply #58 on: July 04, 2000, 12:53:00 PM »
<S> Hristo and Hang,

Great films!


Hang if your looking for another pony for the 8 v 8, id love to!