HANGTIME VS. HRISTO RESULTS:

[Ripsnort]

1st- Hristos wins
2nd Hangtime wins
3rd Hangtime wins
4th Hristos wins
5th Hristos wins

Hristos wins 3-2

Rubber match in same plane:
1st set in G10-Hristos wins
2nd set in P51-Hangtime wins

From an observer point of view, these pilots are cast from the same mold, very good in their respective planes.

Congrats to both pilots!
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[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 07-02-2000).]

[Kieren]

So... who pays who?  

[Kaplan]

Ok, so if Hristo won then this means that the best pilots fly for Luftwaffe, right..?    

[Kaplan]

Seriously Hristo, how old are you?

[Hristo]

Great fight, Hangtime. I must say this was very thrilling for me, probably the most intense fight I ever had in AH.

film

1st fight

We merge level, 10k. At this time I am sure a simple loop will win me enough E to dictate the fight afterwards. Hang extends far and I follow. He starts a downwards left turn, where I can't gain any position. I did not E fight him, just followed in TnB manner. Near the deck fight develops in sustained maneuvering with yoyos, where I got luckier on one HO.

Before the fight I had doubts that Hang will try to run me out of fuel, so I took 50% and DT with me. Now I have seen he stays close and personal.

2nd fight

Hang changes his style, slightly diving into the merge and looping after it. I neglect this and try a lazy loop. Combination of my poor loop and Hang's initial E state puts me in bad situation. Two HO passes and I lose vital parts. Clear victory for Hangtime.

3rd fight

Same merge strategy, this time I have 25% fuel and win E on merge. However, I miss a shot opportunity and find myself at disadvantage in vertical scissors. God how I miss 190 roll there. Now with Hang slightly gaining behind me at 900 yds, quick decision to dive instead to outaccelerate the opponent decides the outcome. I count on overshoot. This is when I started missing 190 evasives and cursed stiff 109 ailerons. With engine smoking, I do last ditch maneuver, pushing stick forward with hard right rudder. Hang overshoots, I land some pings, but engine cuts in crucial moment. Victory to Hangtime.

4th fight

I must not allow to lose any more fights. This time I count on my DB 605. I climbed after the merge and started a right spiral. As I expected, Hang can't follow. I mess the drop however, so we go again, me in vertical, Hang going for angles. After a snapshot on his left wing, I get greedy and switched my brain off. I start TnB with obviously lighter P 51. Downward left turn, all the way to the deck. It ended up in deck flat turn, with nobody gaining any significant advantage. First one to disengage dies. In yoyos I fight my DB 605 torque, while Hang flies very smoothly. My WEP is constantly goin ON/OFF, as I try to squeeze as much of the methanol as I can. Just when I thought I will run out of fuel and thinking to do something else, Hang slows down and augers. Ran out of fuel. WOW !
It would be interesting for all tech types to watch those turning circles though  

5th fight

The decision. I use Hangtime's merge tactics, diving to merge from 11-12k, while dropping DT. With imperative not to lose alt, I spiraled again on Hang, missed first shot, but got him in another high to low HO pass.

Hang got some very good advice there. Along with his superb TnB technique in P 51, he made for very intense duel. Being at 1:2 was very bad time for me, but thankfully all turned out good.

Salute Hantgime. Next time we take P 51 vs Dora  

[Torquila]

Hristos, i knew i could never doubt your preformance   . Its a shame i didnt get to watch it  , but oh well. Remember Toad, dont mail my winnings till i get back  

[Thunder]

Congratulation Hristo!

My Flight Leader is an excellent Warrior!

 
     



[This message has been edited by Thunder (edited 07-02-2000).]

[Hangtime]

Hang sits in the darkened video room; a cloud of smoke drifts thru the light flickering on the screen.

Film from Hang's Cockpit   http://207.201.172.230/DL's/HangvHristo.ZIP  

"Yup. He kicked my ass. Fight one; I blew it.. fights 4 and 5 he held the e sack real close. Then; that damn outta gas situation in 4 was provoked by the e edge he held in the previous fight. I spilled my tanks on takeoff for that fight hopin to evade him on the high drag over the top that kept cropping up on turn 2 after the merge. Gawddamit; cause of that I Ran outta gas.. argh; when Rude hears this he's gonna laff his bellybutton off at me."

Jigster; awake for 39 hours waitin for the duel; squints at the film. Shakes his head. "Nope; Hang; he just had a better bird; and flew its strengths where the pony has no answer. When you had him on the deck you shoulda killed him tho...."

Dammo.. I know... was gonna cut back into him on the turns before all the wep was gone and start a scissors; but he'd already peeled an aileron off; and the ponies roll is bad enuff with two.. it's worse than a 109's with one gone. So I had to creep around in that damn turn grabbin angles where I could. When she got slow without wep she wouldnt haul any tighter and I had to stop yo-yo'ing 2 turns before he did. So he got a few degrees back."

<shakes head, finishes Scotch>

"Dammit; I started too far back in the energy curve for that kinda turning anyway.. e was already all cashed out when we got to the flat turn. Damn. Damn. *sigh* The circles never got close enuff to make a reversal a sound offensive move either. Was hopin he would before the gas went.. *sigh*"

Hang groans; looks up at film. " Then; On the last fight; I came to the merge with the tanks.. heavy; thanks to running out on the last one. I spit em off and went up with him at the merge, same opening again. This time; I could not keep him close as he came over the top and was forced defensive HO on the merges. No shot.. and a quick death. Weight made the diffrence.. and heavy ponies just cant grab up with 109G10."

Jigster smiles; pours two more fingers of scotch in hangs glass. "Ya nailed him in the pony v pony spot tho.."

Hang smiles. "Yah; a bright moment. He got some kinda bug up his bellybutton right on the first merge; went straight up. LOL; where in hell did he think he was goin?? Oh; well; sure enuff he sagged out, and I slid past and saddled up. Game over. On the other hand; that G10 vs G10 fight we tangoed fer a little while; and I got my first taste of e moves in it. Then I discovered he's far better at turnin that thing.. and I couldn't even find the speedo and the flap guage. I felt lost in that cockpit, screwed my SA good. A novel experience; flyin a G10.. <shudder> Amazing I lasted as long as I did."

Jig smiles. "Anything you wanna send Hristo??"

"What?? My head is not enuff?? LOL. Tell him he can have the cat. And tell him I accept the Dora v P51 duel. Oh; yah, and tell the bastid that was one heluva fight; I enjoyed every minute of it. Best tactial use of E I've ever seen. And give him one of these."

Hang stands; draws his tired frame to attention and snaps off a crisp 'SALUTE'

"Well done; sir."
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[This message has been edited by Hangtime (edited 07-03-2000).]

[RAM]

Congratulations Hristo!!!!

I was really tense all the time, specially after the 1-1. Then Hang won the 2-1 (I still think that he played a loop in the RoEs there   but well I guess that if there was no specification of hard ceiling before merge, its OK)...

in the 4th fite I asked Ripsnort how was the fight going...he answered that bad for hristo...and just then I saw in the buffer that he won! oh man...I'd have payed to be able to see those fights from hang's or hristo's cockpit!!!!

S! both. I'd love to see both fighting each other in Fw190A8   But I guess we had enough with this duel  

[Toad]

Salute to you both!

I look forward to the films.

Torquila, I'm mailing the check to HTC after I get back from a 4th of July airshow I'm working.

So, I'm sure they will hold it as a credit to your account; I'll remind them in the letter.

Sounds like it was pretty close most of the way. Not what I would have expected given the G10's climb and acceleration.

[fats]

which rounds were flown with each pilot in what kind of aircrafts?


//fats

[Dago]

I havent been involved in these challenges before, but have flown other duels.  I always thought a "lvl 10k merge" meant you climbed to 10k, held that altitude until the merge so you both started with equal E.

Would seem to me that climbing higher, than diving down to the merge altitude would do two things, 1) give one player an unfair advantage, 2) delay the merge while one grabbed himself an E advantage.

Is this typical in these AH challenges to follow this type of practice?  Is it agreed upon before the duel? What is the ceiling you can climb to before the merge?  Without having these ground rules laid out, it would seem to negate the purpose of "even" duels.

Just curious,
Dago

[Hristo]

 

Originally posted by Kaplan:
Ok, so if Hristo won then this means that the best pilots fly for Luftwaffe, right..?    

That was never questioned  

But real test would be squad duel, 8 vs 8 or similar.

[funked]

If you want to prove anything about pilots, you need to put everyone in the same plane... The Fairey Fulmar.

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[Staga]

Congrats both of you !
Hangtime I hope you enjoy your new plane  
Maybe you should join to JG2 for next month  

Staga


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