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Offline Urchin

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« on: March 24, 2002, 08:16:19 PM »
WARNING IN ADVANCE TO ALL toejamHEADS!  THIS IS A WHINE.  THIS WILL MAKE ME FEEL BETTER THAN BREAKING SOME RANDOM STUFF.  END WARNING.  

Guess I'll join the legions of La7 drivers that fly in straight lines only.  Died several times today....  I died once in a one on one.  I guess it really is just to much to ask of the slavering kill hungry gang rapists to cool down.  HTC, when can we get some larger maps?  I mean like 17,400 by 17,400.  Of course, the map size doesnt matter since all it will mean is more empty space, with the same ol gang rapists flying around in clumps of 50 attacking undefended bases.  

Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.

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« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2002, 08:30:16 PM »
You hit the nail right on the head.  Take down the score page and people will begin to mix it up more.  


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« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2002, 08:54:31 PM »
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Well, at least now I know how some really 'good' pilots maintain their scores.


They do it the old fashioned way. They earn it. :D

Truthfully... when I'm score-whoring (and I have'nt done so in 3 or 4 months), I don't fly much fighters at all. I ride JABO, do some strat-potato bombing runs (Hi Lazs!), or I grab a Panzer and see if I can work my way to a vehicle spawning point.

Of course... I'm not one of the "really good pilots."

Some of us can only aspire.

One day... one great day... someone at sometime is going to accuse me of cheating.

I can't wait!
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« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2002, 10:33:20 PM »
That, Urchin, is the reason why I originally switched to the P-51D in Airwarrior--at the time it was the fastest plane in the game at low altitudes.   I could run away from the gangers.    Up until that time I had been just another spitdweeb.  I guess I got ganged up on once too often  :)

Actually, the only reason the Pony still IS my favorite ride is just because it never let me down in AW.  I no longer choose it for any performance edge it gives me; I fly it due to its sentimental value to me :)

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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2002, 10:36:00 PM »
I'm constantly amazed at people who feel the best place to find a one on one duel is a massively multi-player combat arena.  :rolleyes:


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« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2002, 10:43:29 PM »
Oh no Wabbit, I don't expect a 1 on 1.  I'd be esctatic if I could get them, because I'll usually win a one on one.  I'd settle for a 2 on 1.  Honest to christ, I would.  Want me to take on 2 SpitIX's in my 109E?  I'll DO it by god.  I won't win every time, but I'll win enough that it makes it worthwhile and fun.  

Want me to take on two SpitIXs, 3 Me109s, a Niki, 2 Me110s, and 2 Hurricanes in my 109E?  No way.  Not only would I never win, I wouldn't even have any fun.  And THAT is the problem with the whoopee MA.  It doesnt seem to MATTER to people that there is only ONE enemy plane that is ALREADY engaged with 5,6,10,15, whatever numbers of friendlies.  They'll dive right in and give it a go.

It makes flying anything slower than an La7, 190D9, or P51 (barely) a complete and total waste of time.  Because you are either one of those 27 losers flying as a pack looking for the one guy stupid enough to fly in 'your' sector, or you are that one guy who has to take on 27 losers that don't know their bellybutton from a hole in the ground- and are proud of that to boot.  At least in one of the above-mentioned planes, you can perhaps get a kill and then outrun all but the fleetest gang banging rutabagas, who you can then fight at a more manageable 2 or 3 on 1.  

Oh, and by the way amazinhunks, this is STILL a whine.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2002, 10:48:36 PM by Urchin »

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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2002, 10:59:07 PM »
Take down the score page and you'll have mass chaos. People just flying into the hords not caring, seams that would only make things worse. I like checking out my stats ( not that it changes the way I fly) But i like to see If my gunnery is better/worse, how my choice of plane is doing against other and different planes. And even the scoring we have is just parts of information, it doesn't tell you alot. Besides stats don't change the way I fly. I don't see how taking them away will fix "gangbanging" If YOU put yourself into that position , then it's YOUR fault. PERIOD!
Learn to fly smart! learn your plane, know what you are capable of, and join a squad.

Oh, thats right every ww2 pilot flew alone with NO wingmen.
Stupid me!!!

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2002, 11:22:14 PM »
i just take up a 262 when the odds are that bad.

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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2002, 11:25:22 PM »
>It makes flying anything slower than an La7, 190D9, or P51
>(barely) a complete and total waste of time.

It seems to me that what ever plane set you choose, some planes are always going to be faster than others.  So you'll be right back in the same situation.  Whatever plane is faster will always be able to dictate the fight.  If you roll the plane set all the way back to SPADs and Fokkers, you'll still have the same essiential situation.  Unless you want to restrict everyone to just one plane.  I have a feeling THAT is the only solution that would make you happy.

I understand why you would like to control how many enemy attack you.  Its always easier to concentrate on one or two bogies than 5 or 10.  Its always nice to be able to engage a lone bandit and not have to keep an eye on the rest of the SA to determine when the time to disengage and run are.  Its always more convienient to engage where ever you like without having to consider you're route of escape if necessary.  But thats not, nor ever will be the type of arena we have.  Bandits  are not going to circle above you like Beau's at a Debutante ball, waiting patiently for their chance to cut in, one at a time, or even two at a time.  They don't serve tea and crumpets in the MA.

Slow, more maneuverable planes will always stay together for mutal support.  If you want to stray from the pack, you will always need a fast enough plane to dictate the fight.  There it is.  Its the way it is.  Its the way it has always been.  Its the way it should be.  Stop throwing temper tantrums.

HTC has provided people like you the Duel Arena.  Don't try and change the MA into one.

Oh, and you can call people who disagree with you amazinhunks, but it doesn't give your argument any more weight.


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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2002, 11:48:26 PM »
Urchin's self-described WHINE didn't ask for any changes at all, except for a 17,000 x 17,000 map which he was clearly not serious about.

What he said was he's sick of the &*%^$^!!! gangers and will fly the fastest plane in the game just to be able to better avoid them.   I made the exact same decision once, several years ago.

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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2002, 11:54:20 PM »
Urchin,

I'm with you on the frustration of this.

I'm not going to join the gangbang fest when I see 1 enemy and 12 friendlies and I'm tired of being the 1 enemy.  Neither is fun.

CT setup hasn't been fun for me lately either.:(
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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2002, 12:18:38 AM »
Wabbit, we don't disagree actually.  Clearly, you have chosen to disregard SA entirely and fly only the La7 and P51.  Knowing the way many of your squad fly, I'd say you are also usually cruising around with a pack of friendlies, waiting for them to stir something up so you can dive on it for the easy kill.  

There is nothing wrong with the way you fly, I'm not saying there is.  Some people get enjoyment out of that, and some people don't.  You happen to be a person that does, I happen to be a person that doesn't.  

As far as many of you are concerned.. you are throwing up the same old roadkill you've been throwing up for ages.  If you don't want to get gangbanged, don't FIGHT!  It was your own lack of Situational Awareness that led you to select the 109E4 for this sortie anyway, so don't you yell at MY squad if we choose to engage you 30 on 1, ok?!  It is YOUR FAULT, not OURS.

Guys.. the argument is roadkill and you know it is roadkill.  Clearly, there are some folks here that enjoy participating in a 15 on 1 (as long as they have the 15, that is).  They think it is FUN to compete with the other 14 guys to see who will get the kill and who will merely get an assist.  I personally find it tiresome, and it is getting old rather fast.  

Furthermore, I actually do understand that expecting NOT to get gangbanged by 5 or 6 guys every time I try to get in a fight IS a personal failing of mine.  I've grasped some minor points of human nature, one of which is that people will damn near ALWAYS try to take the easy route.  It is obviously easier to get kills in an La7 than it is to get them in a 109F4.  This would be why you see a lot of people in La7s, and not so many in 109F4s.  It is also much MUCH easier to kill someone who is already in a fight with 1, or 3, or 5, or 26 enemies... so of course people will attempt to get the 'easy' kill instead of looking for one that might be a challenge (or as they think, one they might actually LOSE! *GASP*).  For whatever reason, there are some people that actually enjoy a challenge.  It is a rather stupid way to play any game... but for some reason there are a few people out there that enjoy flying these planes that are so inferior to the "BEST" planes that people like AKWabbit wouldn't even dream of flying them offline.  I happen to be one of those people... I think Karnak is one of them too.  

You see Wabbit..  it is pretty easy to look at someone and scoff

"Ha. you have no SA!  You are totally inferior if you allow yourself to get in a situation where you are being attacked by 8 enemy planes.  You are a FOOL!  Why don't you run away and live to fight another day, like ME?!"  

... when the two planes that YOU fly are 2 of the top 4 when in comes to speed on the deck.  

Want to know how fast the 109E4 is on the deck?  With WEP on it makes around 290.  Yea, thats 290, with a TWO.  You probably don't even get that slow unless you are on autoclimb, huh?  When pretty much every other plane in the game can run your bellybutton down, it isn't a matter of SA.  Take a break from your speed demons.  Fly a Spit for a tour, see if you change your mind about how important 'SA' is in avoiding a gangbang.  

Don't worry, I already know you won't, so you don't have to feel like you let me down by saying no.

EDIT:  I was just checking my score (which incidentaly I enjoy doing, so I'd like the scores to stay).  I decided to check AKWabbits score as well, with my reasoning being with his superior SA he should obviously have much better stats than I have.  He also flies what I could consider to be planes that are much superior to what I have flown this tour, so I figured he should really have an edge on me.  Rather surprisingly, he doesn't.  My K/D is higher, my K/S is higher, my accuracy is much higher (which doesnt surprise me.. fly the 109E for a while.. you will be a crack shot real fast, same with the 202), and my K/T is better.  So, how can this be I ask?  Surely, at least according to him, I am an inferior pilot with no ability to judge what is going on around me.  So how can I manage to have better statistics in every single Fighter category?  

Ok, sarcasm mode over.  I get to be an amazinhunk when I start getting frustrated and pissed off, but I think the point is a valid one however bluntly I put it.  AKWabbit... I'm not a poor pilot.  In fact, I'd even hazard a guess that I'm probably a tad better than you are.  My real point is that you have absolutely no idea what you are criticising (SP?! lol) because you don't worry about it at all.  You make a mistake in a one on one fight?  Drop that nose and WHOOSH...  'Where'd he go?"  "Where'd WHOOOOO go?!"  (and hell, in the La7 you dont even have to drop the nose).  You make a mistake in a 109E4 against a SpitIX?  You die.  You start a fight with one bad guy and his 9 squaddies arrive to help?  Adios!  Punch that big red button and warp the hell out of there in your trusty La-7.  Get in the same situation in a 109E4?  You die.  SA be damned.  You see them coming?  You STILL die.  
« Last Edit: March 25, 2002, 12:36:14 AM by Urchin »

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2002, 12:27:05 AM »
Simple solution... Use the speed of the planes to determine whether they should be perked (or not).

WRT gangbanging... the objective of any strategic mission or field closure necessitates it. If a superior group is closing a field and you insist on flying against them, take your lumps.

Once air superiority is established and you're the inferior side, go away. Come back when you have greater numbers.

This is not a 1v1 arena. Don't expect a fair fight. If you want one of those, try the dueling arena or the set up a head to head match.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2002, 12:38:43 AM »
Sandman.. you apparently didn't grasp it either.  I don't like being the 1 in a 1 on 12... I also don't like being a member of the 12.  However, that seems to be the way the MA is now.  You are either gangraping some poor bastard with 15 other friendlies, or you are taking it up the bellybutton by yourself the next sector over from 15 bad guys.  

Neither one is fun.

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2002, 12:49:30 AM »
Oh I grasp it fine...

I don't much like being 1 against 2, let alone 1 against 12... but that's if I'm flying a Zeke.

Now... If I'm part of a wave that is rolling over the other country and we are enjoying vastly superior numbers from one field to the next, yeah. That's fun. I enjoy it. Keep in mind... I fly Rook so this doesn't happen that often.

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If I'm not part of a wave and I'm simply looking for a more balanced fight, I get far more irritated with other Rooks horning in on it than I do with opponents gangbanging me.
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