Author Topic: Teddy (Read 1467 times)

Jack55 · « **on:** March 25, 2002, 01:02:33 PM »

25 March 1898 - Assist. Secretary of the Navy Theodore Roosevelt proposes Navy investigate military application of Samuel Langley's flying machine, beginning naval aviation.

Boroda · « **Reply #1 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:16:10 PM »

On March, 23, 1878, Counter-Admiral A.F.Mozhayskiy sent a letter to Senior Engineering Administration, suggesting to build a flying machine heavier then air.

On July, 20th, 1882, the airplane, piloted by mechanic I.N.Golubev took off in a first test flight, flied for some distance and landed, damaging one of the wings...

Alexey Fedorovich Mozhayskiy

The Mozhaiskiy's plane.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:31:52 PM »

Edit:(I'm getting soft in me old age)

Boroda · « **Reply #3 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:43:42 PM »

Rip, thank you

What amazed me was that Mozhayskiy's letter was sent almost exactly 20 years before Teddy's. March, 23 is according to Julian calendar, it was March, 10 "new style", but still very close...

Raubvogel · « **Reply #4 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:14:26 PM »

So now the Wright Brothers weren't the first to fly a heavier-than-air aircraft?

midnight Target · « **Reply #5 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:22:02 PM »

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1884 -- Alexander Feodorovich Mozhaiski, Russian Empire: Mozhaiski may have had some success getting his large machine into a glide from a downhill ramp, but pre-Soviet evidence suggests it quickly tipped over on one wing. Judging from the design of the plane and its similarity to others being experimented with in England at the time, it's unlikely he was ever able to take off from a flat surface. Under Stalin's reign, Mozhaiski was put forward as the inventor of the airplane.

Udie · « **Reply #6 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:29:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
So now the Wright Brothers weren't the first to fly a heavier-than-air aircraft?

Yup didn't you know? The Russians inveted everything we call modern. Stupid western propogandist just made it look like the Wrights were the first, it really happened 25 years earlier!

I tell you I don't know which scares me more. The old soviet union or the fact that people there actually believed what was sold to them then, and still continue to believe it today.

Boroda, I guess you guys inveted the lightbulb too huh? hell why stop there, you guys invented electricity too right?

Boroda · « **Reply #7 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:37:46 PM »

It did tip over, it wasn't questioned. Another good move to blame Evil Stalin, WTG!

But it was the first project of an airplane of modern scheme - fuselage, wings and tail. And it DID fly

Raubvogel · « **Reply #8 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:38:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
And it DID fly

Kind of like a car flying from a cliff?

Boroda · « **Reply #9 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:43:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Udie

Boroda, I guess you guys inveted the lightbulb too huh? hell why stop there, you guys invented electricity too right?

Yablochkov's "electric candle" was used in the streets of St.Peterburg long before Edison invented modern light bulb.

Udie, you can question many things, but Mozhayskiy's airplane, Popov's radio and many other things are straight facts. There are original documents in Imperial archives that prove that.

Udie · « **Reply #10 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:49:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Raubvogel

Kind of like a car flying from a cliff?

Dude you owe me a new keyboard and monitor!!!! spewed coke all over the old ones after reading your reply

midnight Target · « **Reply #11 on:** March 25, 2002, 02:52:58 PM »

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Alexander F. Mozhaiski, a captain of the Imperial Navy of Russia, built a steam-powered monoplane based on Henson's designs with one tractor propeller and two pusher propellers. It was tested in 1884 at Krasnoye Selo, near St. Petersburg, with I. N. Golubev in the pilot's seat. (There wasn't much for him to do; the airplane had no control system.) It took off on a jump ramp and flew for approximately 100 feet before crashing. This was the second power-assisted take-off in history.

Please give Boroda a little credit, and Boroda please don't overstate the accomplishment. Mozhaiski was one of the poineers of aviation, and a visionary. His plane would probably never have flown with the steam engines, but modern recreations biult in miniature have been very successful.

His flight was more like a catapult shot, and really was just a small step in the direction of powered controlled flight which was invented by the Wright brothers.

midnight Target · « **Reply #12 on:** March 25, 2002, 03:00:30 PM »

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also called Paul Jablochkov born Sept. 14 [Sept. 2, Old Style], 1847 , Zhadovka, Russia
died March 31 [March 19], 1894 , Saratov

Russian electrical engineer and inventor who developed the Yablochkov candle, the first arc lamp that was put to wide practical use and that greatly accelerated the development of electric lighting.

That is from Britanica.com.

An Arc lamp is not a light bulb, and there is no question that Yablochkov invented the arc light. Heck we still use them for used car sales and theater lighting. They were not practical for home use as the Edison light bulb proved to be.

midnight Target · « **Reply #13 on:** March 25, 2002, 03:10:33 PM »

Sorry, one more.

Popov or Popoff

Popov was a co-creator of radio, and may have even beaten Marconi to the punch by a few months. The difference is Marconi's marketing and publishing of the discovery. A popov radio is responsible for the 1st distress signal from a sinking ship resulting in a rescue in 1899.

Udie · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2002, 04:55:09 PM »

there you go again with those damn facts Tahgut

Now you've scared Boroda away!