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Offline Urchin

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« on: March 26, 2002, 03:31:08 PM »
Ok... I am normally a 'Luftwhiner'.  My main interest is flying German airplanes.  I'll probably never even fly the Spit14 online.  

That said..  Hitech, you DO have a small contengent of British fans in this game.  By "british fans' I mean people that enjoy flying British planes, and only British planes.  Just like most "luftwhiners' enjoy flying German planes, and only German planes.  They have many reasons for their interest in British planes, most of them probably sounding pretty stupid to your average observer (go ahead, can ANYONE come up with a REALLY good reason for only flying a particular plane in a fantasy game with so many to choose from?  And I mean a reason that wouldn't make you sound like a blathering idoit to someone who doesn't play Aces High?  Thought so :p ).

The SpitXIV is a double-edged sword, in my opinion.  It is great that you added it.  The British plane set needed a late war Spitfire that is representative of what was REALLY flying at the same time as the P51D, P38L, P47D,N1K2,La7,109G10,Ta152.. the list goes on and on.  However, I think 60 perks is a little bit, uhm... expensive.  The plane is good, yes.  It is not 60 times better than the SpitIX we have in the game now.  Around 1,000 Spit XIVs were made.  While that is not a whole ton of planes for WW2, it is a pretty substantial production run.  If you were aiming to perk it that high because it is rare, I don't think it is rare enough to justify a perk of that magnitude.  

The Spit XIV has pretty good performance.  It can turn very well (it IS a spitfire after all :)), it makes 355-360 or so on the deck, placing it in the 'pretty fast' category.  I've heard it makes 400 or so at 8k, that makes it a pretty fast plane.  But so does the La7- and it isn't perked.  It climbs very well.  But so does the 109G-10... and it isn't perked.  Granted, in a 1 on 1 situation, a Spit XIV will probably eat the La7s or G-10s nanas, but... our MA is obviously not a 1 on 1 situation.  

I honestly think that the Spit XIV isn't even a good enough plane to run a 2/1 overall K/D in a tour.  I could be wrong here, but only time will tell.  The Spit XIV will be able to out turn the P51s, Doras, and LA7s, and it will be able to outrun the N1K2s and SpitIXs... but it won't be able to do a thing when 3 La7s and 5 SpitIXs are after it.  That is a recipe for lost perk points.  I know, I know.  SA is king, blah blah blah.  SA has absolutely nothing to do with it.  Flying like a popsicle is king.  The only way a Spit XIV will be able to avoid getting gangbanged is to avoid fighting altogther, or to fly with huge packs of friendly planes against 1 or 2 low enemies.  

Furthermore, by perking the Spit XIV to 60 points, you have essentially placed it out of reach for the people who wanted it- I.E. the British fans.  Many of the people that fly N1K2's and SpitIXs (and probably La7 and P51 and maybe even the Dora- although I think most people that are looking for an 'edge' would fly the La7 or P51 over the Dora) now would switch to the Spit XIV if it were unperked, I'll grant you that.  But they aren't real fans of the plane- they are real fans of whatever plane gives them the biggest crutch they can use to make up for their lack of skill.  The real 'fans' of the RAF fly the Spitfire (or Hurricane or Typhoon) because they honestly LIKE the planes.  They'd dearly love to be able to fly the Spit XIV, but because it is so expensive they will probably only get to try it out once a week or so, hardly enough time to be able to learn how to get the most out of the plane.  And that is if they save every single perk point they earn in the SpitIX or SpitV and put it towards flying a Spit XIV.  

I'd like to put forward some possible solutions to what I see as a problem.  You may not even see it as a problem, that is fine.

1.  Drop the perk on the Spitfire XIV to 15 points.  That should place it well within the realm of the British fans, while keeping it out of the realm of  'everybody uses it all the time'.

2.  Alternatively, raise the ENY value of the SpitV to 40 or 45.  This would give Spitfire fans a chance to earn perk points comparatively quickly, thus enabling them to fly the Spit XIV more often.  Yes, I realize the SpitV is a pretty good plane, but it is not insanely common and it would let people earn perk points quickly without having to resort to flying the rather anemic Spit I.  As it stands now, if you want to earn perk points really quickly, the only planes that have decent killing power and performance are the 109G2,109F4, and C205.  I honestly doubt that a true fan of the British plane set would enjoy having to fly these planes to gather the perk points he needs to fly his favorite plane.  

3.  Introduce the Spit IX LF.  Karnak could probably help me out with the exact version, cause I can't find my Spitfire book right now.  It was a truly representative version of the Spitfire flying in 1944.  It had more power than the Spit IX we have now, clipped wings, and the supercharger was optimized for fighting below 20k.  This plane should either be free or be a cheap perk like the C-Hog, without the "gangbang icon" (in other words, just the generic "Spit" tag.  This would give the RAF fans a truly representative 1944 Spitfire with better performance than the early IX we have now.  

That is all I have to say right now, feel free to chime in with your opinion.

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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2002, 03:37:43 PM »
I got the exact specs on it heer they are

Mk. XIV: First model with two-stage Griffon, Mk. 65 rated at 2,050 hp with deep symetric radiators and five-blade propeller. The airframe was completely redesigned and incorporated a broad fin/rudder, inboard ailerons, retractable tail wheel. Active in 1944, destroyed over 300 V-1s.
  F.XIV: Two 20mm Hispano and four .303 brownings.
  F.XIVE: Two 20mm Hispano and two .5 in. brownings.
  FR.XIVE: Same guns as F.XIVE, cut-down fuselage
   and clipped wings, teardrop hood.
  F.24: Cameras and extra fuel.
Production (all forms): 957

GRIFFON ENGIN. friggin brits and there spits:mad:

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2002, 03:55:52 PM »
too low


however, if you need perkies it's pretty easy to do..
grab an a6m, waste a few ponies, niks, la7's and you're all set.

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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2002, 04:20:33 PM »
well 900 spits 14 and you want to cut its price to 15... Wery well then cut price of Tempest to 20 and its gonna be my main and only ride :) Well you know what? Non of those things gonna happen. Spit 14 is priced just about right (maybe it could use some higher perk value but I trust on this to HTC)... Time will tell...

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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2002, 04:22:46 PM »
I waste Ponys, N1Ks, and La7s all the time and I don't get any perks for it.

What, you mean I have to waste someone ELSE'S plane!?

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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2002, 04:23:10 PM »
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I know, I know. SA is king, blah blah blah. SA has absolutely nothing to do with it. Flying like a popsicle is king. The only way a Spit XIV will be able to avoid getting gangbanged is to avoid fighting altogther, or to fly with huge packs of friendly planes against 1 or 2 low enemies.


I read that twice... and laffed my bellybutton off.

tks Urchin.. I needed a laff. :)

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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2002, 04:38:50 PM »
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They'd dearly love to be able to fly the Spit XIV, but because it is so expensive they will probably only get to try it out once a week or so, hardly enough time to be able to learn how to get the most out of the plane.  


Jesus man! Its only 60 perks! Average player has to have more than 1000 perks... And if you are devoted Spit V driver you have to have so many perks so you should be able to fly Spit XIV all the time... Tempest costs 70 perks and I can fly it all day and night long... And as for the training -> TA is free, H2H is free... etc. I prolly made enemies right now in the Spit fan's crowd but lets face it -> Spit XIV is way too hig risk for MA to be low priced... But if HT would give a go to an experiment why shouldn't it be for 1 tour for 15 perks and lets see the logs at the end... Personaly I dont mind meeting them in MA (partialy because Im spending still more and more time in CT and partialy because when they start to spread in wild il just grb my Tempest or 262 and will go sissihunting...) :D At least it would be plane after killing one you would bring home some perks when in 262 or Tempest :) Right now I have 4 or 5 kills a sortie and just about 1.2 perks for that...

Just my $0.02
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2002, 04:39:55 PM »
yea and while you're at it please make the F4U-4 cheaper too :P

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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2002, 04:42:59 PM »
Im affraid that the F4U-4 is quite different storry.... so no Discounts here :D

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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2002, 04:50:49 PM »
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"Will Work For Perk Points"  
I just lost another 262 the other night and now find my self a little short in the perkies department.   Brother can you spare a perk point so a poor dweeb like me can fly the Spit XIV.

You too can do your part with our "Help A Dweeb Fly the Spit XIV"
In fact you might be asking yourself right now "How can I help, Airscrew?"  

Its easy, next time you see a 205, 202, A6M, Spit 1, Hurricane, 109E, or any other slightly slower early war plane,  simple drop to a lower altitude, level your wings, and fly straight.  Don't forget to chop that throttle a little bit too.   In no time at all you'll be well on your way to helping dweebs all over Aces High get an opportunity to fly the vaunted Spit XIV.   One extra note please, as soon as you hear the pings from the 303's please bail as quickly as possible we don't want to be spending all our ammo to shoot you down.

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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2002, 04:50:49 PM »
I'm a "dedicated SpitV driver" and so far this TOD I've racked up an IMPRESSIVE 40.89 perks.

Granted this is my first TOD, but if you add my massive 40.89 to the 75 I've gotten because the server put me into a team that's won the war three times I have a WHOPPING 115.89 perk points.  Not quite enough to fly the SPIT14 twice yet, and given how perks tend to get swarmed...

I'm not disagreeing with the price, I'm contesting the basic assumption that anyone can fly it all day long.

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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2002, 05:31:59 PM »
do the perk points you get in the TOD work in MA?

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2002, 05:35:50 PM »
I have a total of around 2600 fighter perks.  The reason I have so many is that a LOT of the German planes have fairly high ENY values (well, the ones that I like to fly and fight in anyway).  Well, that and I have no reason to spend my perk points because I don't really like any of the perk planes except the Ta-152, and I don't like getting gangbanged in that all the time so I rarely fly it.

190a5- 30 ENY.  It is faster and it has better firepower than the SpitIX, which has any ENY of ... 15?  I think.  

109G2- 40 ENY.  Again, it is faster, and if you put gondolas on it is has better firepower.

109F4- roughly the same speed as the SpitIX, with gondolas it has more firepower.  

109E4-  Slower than the IX, turns about as well.  ENY 45.  Firepower kinda sucks though.  

I've been flying the E4 some since it came out.  If you get 2 or 3 kills per sortie, you are looking at around 10 perk points.  I think the 'best' sortie I've ever had in it was a little over 20.  

I think the AVERAGE player in Aces High probably has a couple hundred.  Five hundred tops.  Remember, there has been a huge influx of new players into the game- they don't start with perk points.  Furthermore, when they save up 60 points to fly the SpitXIV, this is probably what they'll see.  

1.  Take off, fly around some.  

2.  Find an enemy plane.  Lets say a SpitIX.  

3.  Turn with the SpitIX some until an enemy plane arrives.  Lets say an La7.  

4a.  Assuming the pilot doesn't see the La7, he dies right then.  Well, he can fly another one next month.

4b.  Pilot sees the La7 boring in and decides to run.

5.  The La7 easily catches the Spit XIV and forces him to turn.  

6.  The SpitIX catches up again once the La7 forces the Spit XIV to turn.

7.  One of the two kills the Spit XIV and congratulates himself on his excellent flying.

The pilot can get the same result in a SpitIX... for free.  Why bother spending 60 perks to get gangbanged (and with the Spit14 even the 1v2 scenario is unlikely.. it will probably be the Spit XIV vs.  The original plane + any plane that happens to be fighting nearby + any plane that happens to fly within d6.0 + any plane that would normally RTB fuel, damage, or ammo but sees the Spit14 icon in the middle of a gangrape and decides to 'help out')?

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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2002, 06:44:37 PM »
Thanks Urchin.

MadBirdCZ,

I truely doubt that the average AH player has 1000s of perk points.  I wouldn't even be terribly shocked if the average AH player has less than 100, but it is probably higher than that.

The average AH player also probably loses 75% of the perk planes he takes off with and it probably takes him a least a wekk, maybe longer to earn those points back.  I know that I earn about 75 perk points a month.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2002, 07:04:26 PM »
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I have a total of around 2600 fighter perks.  The reason I have so many is that a LOT of the German planes have fairly high ENY values (well, the ones that I like to fly and fight in anyway).  Well, that and I have no reason to spend my perk points because I don't really like any of the perk planes except the Ta-152, and I don't like getting gangbanged in that all the time so I rarely fly it.

190a5- 30 ENY.  It is faster and it has better firepower than the SpitIX, which has any ENY of ... 15?  I think.  

109G2- 40 ENY.  Again, it is faster, and if you put gondolas on it is has better firepower.

109F4- roughly the same speed as the SpitIX, with gondolas it has more firepower.  

109E4-  Slower than the IX, turns about as well.  ENY 45.  Firepower kinda sucks though.  

I've been flying the E4 some since it came out.  If you get 2 or 3 kills per sortie, you are looking at around 10 perk points.  I think the 'best' sortie I've ever had in it was a little over 20.  

I think the AVERAGE player in Aces High probably has a couple hundred.  Five hundred tops.  Remember, there has been a huge influx of new players into the game- they don't start with perk points.  Furthermore, when they save up 60 points to fly the SpitXIV, this is probably what they'll see.  

1.  Take off, fly around some.  

2.  Find an enemy plane.  Lets say a SpitIX.  

3.  Turn with the SpitIX some until an enemy plane arrives.  Lets say an La7.  

4a.  Assuming the pilot doesn't see the La7, he dies right then.  Well, he can fly another one next month.

4b.  Pilot sees the La7 boring in and decides to run.

5.  The La7 easily catches the Spit XIV and forces him to turn.  

6.  The SpitIX catches up again once the La7 forces the Spit XIV to turn.

7.  One of the two kills the Spit XIV and congratulates himself on his excellent flying.

The pilot can get the same result in a SpitIX... for free.  Why bother spending 60 perks to get gangbanged (and with the Spit14 even the 1v2 scenario is unlikely.. it will probably be the Spit XIV vs.  The original plane + any plane that happens to be fighting nearby + any plane that happens to fly within d6.0 + any plane that would normally RTB fuel, damage, or ammo but sees the Spit14 icon in the middle of a gangrape and decides to 'help out')?


There are alot of perk "bargains" in the Planeset but I think the P-47D25 and D30 are among the best. Loads of firepower and ammo to burn, all with tan ANY of 29-31. the La5 is also a perk Bargain.
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