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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2001, 10:02:00 AM »
I have to agree with dtango's post...
Well written and thought out.

Against.

Although, I really would like to see radar and dar bar ineffective at low alt and behind mountains etc.  No line of sight vis on a dot from the base radar, no bar or dot.

Big low sneak raids are nearly impossible to pull off with the current dar system, and I think they would add a lot of fun to the game.

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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2001, 10:09:00 AM »
So we're looking at pretty much the exact same situation we have now, only you have to type to someone sitting in the tower to have him type back "contact at 8.6.3, about 12 miles northeast of you"?

Against.  Homey don't type.

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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2001, 10:16:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Fester':
bradys5: for  125 hours
pongo: against 52 hours
ts: for 92 hours
EazyE: for 118 hours
Bigmax: against 75 hours
busher: against 152 hours
oct : for 32 hours
urchin : for 109 hours
mathman :for 98 hours
zygote: for 168 hours
wizzer: for 37 hours
papaH: for 65 hours
hawkwind: for 116 hours
fenrir: against 23 hours
hblair: for 52 hours
frodo: for 87 hours
fester: for 178 hours
defiance: for 68 hours
truker1: for 72 hours
BD5pilot: for 60 hours
darkstar: for 19 hours
shamus: against 126 hours
BGmaw: against 20 hours
NHmihatt: against 138 hours
Ghosth: for 70 hours
fdski: for 5 hours (better check his WB flight time though)
Ax: for 76 hours
wizzer: for (him again?)
44mag: for 19 hours
ribman: against 25 hours
dtango: against 24 hours
TheFatz: for 92 hours
Airscrew: for 50 hours
FunkedUp: for 2 hours
elguapo: against 154 hours
fradim: for 47 hours

Me: 20 hours.

That's for Tour 18.

You are right about one thing Hblair, I am in the minority.

I don't have 50+ hours a tour to spend sitting on my bellybutton getting pasty and search out a fight because I can't rely on my "country mates" to guide me there.

4 of 10 people against removing in flight radar have within 4 hours more than my flight time, or less.
-SW

[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: SWulfe ]

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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2001, 10:47:00 AM »
Here's a list of the top 36 fighter pilots from Tour 18.

See how many on that list match the names on Fester's supposed excellent poll.
Fester 21 1 262 6 23
feed 56 2 316 18 255
Fariz1 2 3 3 4 2
RZ 3 4 9 20 3
Blade 6 5 30 47 15
eskimo 1 6 1 2 1
Khan 8 7 41 8 104
Hanzo 91 8 117 9 703
AlgyFT 880 9 1240 732 1533
Mituzawa 35 10 132 253 10
tukiyo 269 11 703 445 423
RWY 101 12 241 104 529
kanamaru 425 13 742 308 1089
Regurge 30 14 121 23 223
AKOwl 213 15 565 59 755
36DD 860 16 1568 973 881
Kiyota 287 17 928 95 610
AKSWulfe 811 18 1568 231 1533
Gomer 586 19 778 766 1109
sax 16 20 44 88 82
MANDOBLE 24 21 26 62 226
Hooligan 948 22 1160 973 1533
mm 834 23 1055 973 1341
xdak 559 24 985 30 1533
Booky 4 25 24 7 9
Asmodan 38 26 206 39 142
Syura 516 27 1240 482 725
RAMMJAGR 18 28 70 142 27
Zig 98 29 346 22 466
airguard 5 30 10 31 5
Hawkwind 201 31 507 322 483
GTR 12 32 67 10 84
Pand 149 33 461 156 469
Gr8White 472 34 867 91 1341
mooj 11 35 33 52 70
Enraged 494 36 828 196 1341

Name/ Overall Rank/ Fighter Rank/ Bomber Rank/ Attack Rank/ Vehicle-Boat Rank

Should go to show you, that you have a very very small list in respect to who actually plays the game.

Like I said before, Glue sniffing Festerbria's poll means nothing.
-SW

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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2001, 10:58:00 AM »
You imply that the guys who want to keep radar don't have as much flight time as the guys who want to lose in-flight radar. Using the list of people you used, and the number of hours online that you used, the opposite is true. The pro-dar guys have more time online than the anti-dars:

Pro Tower-only radar average time online: 74.28 hours
Anti Tower-only radar average time online: 78.9 hours

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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2001, 11:02:00 AM »
SW, why don't you devise your own stupid poll. Lemme guess, that's not as entertaining as crying about Festers.

Get to work trig boy.

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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2001, 11:04:00 AM »
hehe I think SWulf is just mad because IT isnt going his way  :D

you really need dar to rely on that bad wulf? :EEK:

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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2001, 11:10:00 AM »
While I respect what Fester's trying to do here, SWulfe is correct.  This poll is not scientifically valid, and it may not in any way be generalized to the total AH population.

There are several reasons for that.  First, it does not consist of a random samping of players.  Asking a number of pilots who are flying for a one hour period of time on one particular day hardly constitutes randomness.  It likely excludes foreign players, those who work at night, and just about everyone else who for one reason or another does not play on Tuesday evenings.  One could reasonably argue that any of these groups significantly differ from the one present that night in views toward in-tower radar.

Second, and going along with the randomness issue, this is a self-selected sample.  Rather than choosing a random sample of players from the MA and asking their opinions, Fester asked all players and recorded only the answers of those who responded.  It's entirely possible, as SWulfe has attempted to show, that those who chose to respond are not representative of the general population of players.  I find that argument compelling.  Even a popup screen asking all players what they think of this issue potentially suffers from self-selection bias if players can close down the questionnaire without responding.

Hope that helps.   :)

-- Todd/DMF, who's administered more than his share of surveys

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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2001, 11:19:00 AM »
So it wasn't completely scientific, what other method is available to us? We didn't know what the results were going to be when fester decided to do this. For all I knew there would be more pro-dar than anti-dar. If we woulda had fewer votes, I wouldn't be pulling out the *scientific* card. It's just a small sampling of MA pilots. Take it for what it is.

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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2001, 11:28:00 AM »
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Originally posted by Fester':

given the error margin of this limited survey the results are inconclusive

the question is in reference to Warbirds style radar and intends to ask if the player would prefer the Warbirds fundementalsetup over the Aces High one.

in warbirds radar information is displayed only in the tower.


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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2001, 11:43:00 AM »
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Originally posted by hblair:
So it wasn't completely scientific, what other method is available to us? We didn't know what the results were going to be when fester decided to do this. For all I knew there would be more pro-dar than anti-dar. If we woulda had fewer votes, I wouldn't be pulling out the *scientific* card. It's just a small sampling of MA pilots. Take it for what it is.

You've run into one of the largest problems facing all public opinion surveys... namely which methodology maximizes your external validity (i.e. generalizability) given your circumstances.  You may not have had any other method available to you at the time, and I empathize with that, but the results still cannot be considered representative of the entire population of AH players.  Interesting, certainly, but not necessarily accurate.

Realize that I'm not taking sides one way or another here.  I'm just trying to set the record straight on what does or does not constitute a scientifically valid poll.  

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« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2001, 11:43:00 AM »
Against

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« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2001, 12:04:00 PM »
Okay Hblair, I am going to paste this again since your ability at selectively reading escapes any rational explanation as to how you could of missed it the other two times.

"The only poll that is worthwhile and holds any water would be one that is brought up in the Message Of The Day and requires each user's response."

Message Of The Day: Each user that logs in during a period of 24 hours recieves the questionnaire just ONCE. In order to close it, it REQUIRES an input.

That'd be a whole hell of a lot more representative and meaningful than just logging in for 30 minutes asking "Hey, who wants inflight radar and how doesn't?" and taking the results that total only THIRTY-SIX people of a MUCH LARGER player base.

It escapes me your inability to understand what I am trying to say.

I will accept the results if you get a real poll going on that's actually gives everyone a chance to add their opinion on the matter.

And DeeZCamp, piss off.
-SW

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« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2001, 12:06:00 PM »
Against.

Last I heard you could disable the enemies' dar by killing their HQ.  Guess those who don't like dar are too busy furballing to put together a mission.
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« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2001, 12:08:00 PM »
I vote For. I would really like to see the WB style radar used. I wouldn't want to fly WB however to use it.

MarkAT

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